TREC E&O Form?

[Michael R. Boyett]

Looks like TREC did move the file on their servers for some reason. I glanced at the moved document and it is still called the 10/1 version and I don't see any changes. Try: http://www.trec.state.tx.us/pdf/arti...e_20071001.pdf

[rdawes]

Michael,

I did not save the document from the first version you posted but I thought for sure that for a Professional license it was 128 core, 320 additional, and 120 ride along. The latest version is 128, 200, 120 which is what John Cahill said a few posts back. Seems they have gotten back down to 448 total.

If this becomes rule, the next questions are (1) how many of us are magnanimous enough to help train our competition. (2) What will we charge for it? (3) Does it affect our liability? I can see some over zealous lawyer dragging me into a lawsuit because my ride along tuteledge wasn't good enough to keep the new guy from missing something important on his 10th inspection. This bridge has been crossed no doubt in other states with similar ride along rules.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Ron,
You may be right on those numbers. TREC did change them when they published the 10/1/07 version of their proposal. I know they did want to make it the same or harder to use the fast track path, not easier, to get licensed.

Maybe I'm missing something but aren't the ride-alongs pretty much the same process as has been in place forever for Real Estate Inspector licensing? Is it really anything different than what we've had in the past? Also, those ride-alongs to gain experience are only one way to gain that experience. A more likely way, I think, will be "completing an approved experience training module of at least 60 hours from an approved education provider" don't you think? My experience and from what I've heard from others is that finding a sponsor to ride-along with is next to impossible.

[rdawes]

Duh! I completely glossed over the experience training module clause when I scanned the document. Some detail oriented inspector I am! Was that in the first version?

Anyway, it seems the schools now have their bases covered again and can get on with business as usual, which of course, is the really important thing that had to be fixed.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by mboyett

Looks like TREC did move the file on their servers for some reason. I glanced at the moved document and it is still called the 10/1 version and I don't see any changes. Try: http://www.trec.state.tx.us/pdf/arti...e_20071001.pdf

So in a nut shell, what is the fastest way for an inspector to get his
license through education only (no previous experience credit).?

Tell me what you see and help me verify what I am seeing.

[Michael R. Boyett]

To what level? A Real Estate Inspector or a Professional Inspector? Here's the bottom line in either case though, I think the 120 hours (or 30 hours for RE Inspector) required for the 'experience training module' is not clear if this is the same or an additional 120 hours that have always been required for the Professional level. So, for Professional it could be a total of 448 or 568 hours depending.

[John McKenna]

120 training module? Mmmm.
I guess the vendors can create some new ways to do this.

[Barry Adair]

Latest from TAREI

Appears their membership duties supersede their E&O concerns, imagine that!

Funny how this was sent today, like we don't have schedules to maintain as business operators.

I guess late is better than never

Y'all come on down now ya hear

Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: TAREI Update
Dear TAREI Member,

As you are aware the upcoming TREC meeting on the 8th is important for you & your business. The two items of importance are the mandatory E & O insurance and the Education requirements as per HB1530 that went into effect September 1st.

Below are the “Fast Track” changes affecting the Inspection industry to section 1102.111 of HB 1530 by Rep. Flores.

Sec. 1102.111. SUBSTITUTE REQUIREMENTS. (a) The commission by rule shall provide for substitution of relevant experience and [or] additional education in place of:
(1) the number of real estate inspections required for licensing; and
(2) the requirement that an applicant be:
(A) licensed as an apprentice inspector before being licensed as a real estate inspector; or
(B) licensed as a real estate inspector before being licensed as a professional inspector.
(b) Rules adopted under Subsection (a) may not require an applicant to:
(1) complete more than 320 additional classroom hours of core real estate inspection courses; or
(2) have more than seven years of relevant experience.

TREC”s proposed Emergency Rule as of October 1st is as follows:
Ø Ø128 core hours
Ø Ø200 additional education hours
Ø Ø120 hands-on and/or simulated training

TAREI’s Position Statement that will be presented to TREC is:
Ø Ø128 core hours
Ø Ø320 additional education hours
Ø Ø120 hands-on and/or simulated training
We feel that these guidelines will produce a better educated Inspector and one who can serve the Consumer with confidence within his/her industry. Reducing the amount of additional education hours to 200, as proposed in the current draft of the Emergency Rule, does not serve the Consumer in providing them a well educated Inspector with real-world experience.
In addition, the original intent of HB1530 was not to decrease the amount of experience but, to require higher education prior to obtaining a license.
It is important to voice/share your concerns. We need your presence. If you are unable to attend, I would suggest contacting the TREC Commissioners before Monday’s meeting.

Thank you.




Sincerely,

Daniel F. South
TAREI President
2007-2008

“Promoting excellence within
our profession by establishing
and maintaining the highest
standards and ethics, since 1977”

[gbeaumont]

Barry,

remind me again, who do TAREI represent ???

Regards

Gerry

[Michael R. Boyett]

On the other hand the 10/8 TREC meeting has been widely publicized so it is not new news that it is scheduled. TAREI, formed in 1977, is the oldest and only state HI trade organization but only around 15% of the 4,250 Texas HI's belong to TAREI. They just don't have the clout to drive any legislation but they are not the bad guys that's for sure. They do good things though and have very well attended and well thought of conferences and seminars. I'm not a member but I do attend their local monthly chapter meetings.

[John Cahill]

From the prior posts you can see that it will be easier to be an inspector. They are trying to solve some questions I posed about the number of ride alongs I can take and insurance tails.

You also need to understand a big difference. Sponsoring an inspector is NOT the same as providing ride along experience. In sponsorship the Inspector can do jobs without the Professional Inspector being there. The Pro Inspector has huge liability. One very well known inspector got severely damaged by this in a law suit. No one should sponsor because it puts their license and right to work at risk.

Ride along or hands on experience is different. The student simply accompanies the inspector. The student does not do the inspecting. They are an observer. Unless the rules change any Pro Inspector can provide hands on experience. They can charge for it or not.

I would handle liability by getting the student to sign an agreement that 120 hours is a trial period and that proper training requires 4,080 hours or two years. Same as a broker. Student is advised they may make serious errors if they do not complete the 4,080 hours of training.

Hands on experience is not sponsorship.

TAREI is a nice group of people but like most volunteer groups they depend on free time. I am starting a company called www.prismrca.com in Texas. It will focus on risk management and the inspector. I will be a paid director and will manage it to help home inspectors, other trades and the consumer. It is not a group to compete with NACHI or TAREI. It is a risk management group that serves all associations and the inspector first. The web site and fee is beta. Comment if you desire.

Mondays meeting

- 200 120 will pass making fast track easier
- Foster, Willcox, Phillips, Carr will be appointed along with 5 others to the committee.
- Nothing will be done about E&O
- The first inspector committee meeting will vote Willcox in as Chairman. Either Phillips or Carr will be vice chair.
- Carr will chair SoP Committee and Phillips will serve
- Foster and Willcox will not serve the SoP Committee

[Michael R. Boyett]

John, I suspect you are more right than wrong on your assessment of Monday's TREC meeting. I can't remember if Phil Stojanik expressed desire to stay on as a committee member but I do hope he did. I have always found him to be a clear voice of reason on the committee.

[Barry Adair]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

Barry,

remind me again, who do TAREI represent ???

Regards

Gerry

Gerry,

If you're smelling smoke, it's my last two brain cells burning themselves up trying to create a believable reply. sorry