U.S. Supreme Court gets it right on thwarting tyranny and gun control.

[klott]

I bet if joe could get away with it, he would.

[klott]

Fetus foot next to a baby foot.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

But if I start predicting that pro abortion people will eventually start killing millions of Christians, don't you think that I would look a little bazaar?

Of course anything can happen, but unlike the documented violence the church has perpetrated on the public in the past there is just no current evidence to support your hypothesis. As a matter of fact it is just the opposite, we have Christians murdering doctors in front of their family.

Thing is when you look back in history what is depicted from a religious point of view are religious crimes like heresy must be addressed with a blood atonement there is no other way, just ask god.

That is why we as a society cannot allow religions to dictate public social policy, in the end it just leads to violence or the threat of violence because the public will by and large not bend to the authority of the church which leaves the church no other course but to force its will through violence.

[bdoles2]

Baby hands I bought off eBay. Damn, what a deal - I got the hands and the toast for $4.

[Andrew Shick]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Then I guess he would have shot most of the founders of our country.

But who listens to a man that has fantasy's about killing someone because
of their religious beliefs? He would fit well into a communist society
where they carry out these kinds of ideas every day.

Do you share these same beliefs as quoted above? We are getting
to know your automaton ideas... I see.

It doesn't have anything to do with him wanting to kill people because of their religious beliefs. It has to do with him being concerned with protecting himself from radical Christians (no different than radicals from any other religion) who will use the law or any other means to ram their agenda down the throats of everyone in this country.
Your failure to be able to distinguish that only proves his point.

As does this:

As to the idea of military grade weaponry in my neighbors house, it might
cause one to sleep a little restless, knowing the house next door contains
thousands of pounds of nitroglycerin and other explosives, and they have
5 kids who like to play with matches... ... Not a real popular idea, IMHO.

And this:

No civilians have the right nor any reason to have granades, machine guns and such in their personal possesion, there has to be a limit to keep things in balance.

I don't understand this "limit to keep things in balance", I think what you really mean is "to keep things tipped in such a way that the Government can run roughshod over everyone's rights, and there's nothing they can do about it, so that I can sleep well in my bed tonight knowing that the law is protecting me..."

You guys who delight in authoritarian religious principles, and "the rule of law", scare the crap out of me.
Like I said:

Originally Posted by ashick

...the fact is, at the end of the day, you are either for individual liberty in it's hardest form, or you are for a boot on someones face to control them. There is no in between.

[Andrew Shick]

Originally Posted by bdoles2

Baby hands I bought off eBay. Damn, what a deal - I got the hands and the toast for $4.

Attachment 22482 Attachment 22483

What do you use the baby hands for? They're too small for ashtrays...

Here, you guys can bring a little Jesus into your pancakes, or grilled cheese.
It sure beats those wafers they give you at church!
http://www.jesuspan.com

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

If the right-wing religious fundamentalists were able to overturn Roe V Wade do you think that it would stop there, or do you think they would regard their victory as a mandate from their god to wrest control from We The People and engage in more strange & new social crusades to eradicate their definition of sin?

Just stupid reasoning again.

If the Court overturned Roe v. Wade the battle would go back to the states where it belongs.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Of course anything can happen, but unlike the documented violence the church has perpetrated on the public in the past there is just no current evidence to support your hypothesis. As a matter of fact it is just the opposite, we have Christians murdering doctors in front of their family.

Thing is when you look back in history what is depicted from a religious point of view are religious crimes like heresy must be addressed with a blood atonement there is no other way, just ask god.

That is why we as a society cannot allow religions to dictate public social policy, in the end it just leads to violence or the threat of violence because the public will by and large not bend to the authority of the church which leaves the church no other course but to force its will through violence.

OK... a few whackos kill someone and that is your proof that Christians
are about to start a mass inquisition. Are you always this paranoid.?

I think that you forget Christians (and Jews) have had a HUGE part of our
present day system of moral ideas. All laws come from a moral base.
Why do you want to persecute Christians...? Would you like to silence
our voices on all public issues? I think you may be the evidence that
proves a trend to persecute and silence the free speech rights of those
who have religious values in the public arena. It is very sad that
you would like to take away the liberties of those who do not believe
like you and oppress religious free speech. This is not what we believe
in America.

I think you have become the very thing you condemn.

1. IS AMERICA A CHRISTIAN NATION?
2. CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DIARY
3. DISCOVERY OF AMERICA
   
4. FIRST VIRGINIA CHARTER
5. FUNDAMENTAL ORDERS OF CONNECTICUTT
   
6. MAYFLOWER COMPACT
7. WE ARE FOOLS FOR CHRIST' SAKE
   
8. THANKSGIVING DAY PROCLAMATIONS
9. SPECIAL DAY OF THANKSGIVING
10. STATEMENTS FROM THE BENCH
11. KEY QUOTES ON AMERICA'S JUDEO CHRISTIAN HERITAGE
12. RELIGIOUS FOUNDERS/ READ THEIR WRITINGS
13. NEW ENGLAND PRIMER
14. PRODIGAL NATION
15. BIBLICAL HERITAGE QUOTES
16. HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS LIBRARY
17. THE BIBLE AND THE CONSTITUTION
    
18. THANKSGIVING, THE PURITANS AND PRAYER
19. WERE THE FOUNDING FATHERS CHRISTIAN?
20. HISTORY OF SULLIVAN, NEW HAMPSHIRE
21. BEN FRANKLIN'S MESSAGE BEFORE THE 1787 CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION
22. THE TREATY OF TRIPOLI EXPLAINED
23. HISTORIC DOCUMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES
24. ISRAEL AND AMERICA PART 1
25. JEWISH ROOTS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by ashick

What do you use the baby hands for? They're too small for ashtrays...

Here, you guys can bring a little Jesus into your pancakes, or grilled cheese.
It sure beats those wafers they give you at church!
http://www.jesuspan.com

From discussion to mocking... old ploy, no substance.
Next.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by ashick

It doesn't have anything to do with him wanting to kill people because of their religious beliefs. It has to do with him being concerned with protecting himself from radical Christians (no different than radicals from any other religion) who will use the law or any other means to ram their agenda down the throats of everyone in this country.

We have a discussion with two points of view. You share your side and
that is OK. I share my views and now I am ramming it down your throat.
That is ridiculous.


As does this:
And this:
I don't understand this "limit to keep things in balance", I think what you really mean is "to keep things tipped in such a way that the Government can run roughshod over everyone's rights, and there's nothing they can do about it, so that I can sleep well in my bed tonight knowing that the law is protecting me..."

You guys who delight in authoritarian religious principles, and "the rule of law", scare the crap out of me.

Your extreme views about shooting Christians do seem to be a little
paranoid.

Are you going to shoot me, like your quote said?
Do you discriminate against peoples religion at work?

We don't believe like that in the United States.
We do not discriminate or persecute people because of race, religion or creed.

[George A. H. Luck]

"(no different than radicals from any other religion)"

Here's a news flash for you;
It wasn't Radical Christians who flew aircraft into the Twin Towers.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Would you like to silence our voices on all public issues?

Only those which would force me to conform to your narrow view of religion in a way that would impede my constitutional right to life liberty & the pursuit of happiness guaranteed under the law, other than that we're cool.

Regarding your list of questionable Christian links, do we really need to go there? I mean I am positive I can match you link for link with opposing free thinking websites that paint an entirely different view, here is a taste.

Is America A 'Christian Nation'?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

From discussion to mocking... old ploy, no substance.
Next.

Very old indeed and often the refuge of those without an argument.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Only those which would force me to conform to your narrow view of religion in a way that would impede my constitutional right to life liberty & the pursuit of happiness guaranteed under the law.........

except for the unborn in your view that is.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Only those which would force me to conform to your narrow view of religion in a way that would impede my constitutional right to life liberty & the pursuit of happiness guaranteed under the law, other than that we're cool.

Regarding your list of questionable Christian links, do we really need to go there? I mean I am positive I can match you link for link with opposing free thinking websites that paint an entirely different view, here is a taste.

Is America A 'Christian Nation'?

I respect your right to share your point of view. I enjoyed the discussion.
Good luck to you and I hope you do well. Long live freedom of speech.

If I ever rule the world, I will try not kill too many heretics during Monday
night football ...