United States versus National Realtor Association

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbraun

How would you determine if somebody is crazy?
Wouldn't it be easier to not allow automatic weapons then to try to determine if somebody will snap in the future?

And get rid of all gas as an idiout a can and Match and WOW! bad combination.

...Cookie

[John Onofrey]

Originally Posted by jbraun

How would you determine if somebody is crazy?
Wouldn't it be easier to not allow automatic weapons then to try to determine if somebody will snap in the future?

I think we could start by reading their message board posts and then go from there.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

How dare you talk about Roy like that.

[Michael Larson]

James,

Do we allow people to own knives, bow and arrows, automobiles, etc. without regard to their mental state?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbraun

How dare you talk about Roy like that.

Thanks for the compliment.
Was going to give you a green but it would be lost as you do not show your squares .
To bad so sad may be next time .
I do not think they will allow me to share mine with you I have lots.
...Cookie
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[James E. Braun, CMI]

Roy, I had a member threaten me because he thought I gave him a red square even though I do not know how to rate somebody. I did figure out how to turn my squares off. It is not worth it.

Michael,
I stand a better chance of living when it is like that.

[Michael Larson]

Oh come on James. You're the one who stated.

Guns should not be banned just automatics and semi-automatics.

Perhaps you mean only for hunting.

[bschumacher]

[quote=jbraun]Why should we be protecting ourselves against our own army?quote]

It is not to protect us from the army but the government that is incharge of that army. If you recall before the insurrection we had an army to protect us too however we decided we were not receiving proper representation and we were being way over taxed (which is fun since we are taxed nearly 40 times then) so we created our own militia and fought against that government which they used that army that you question "why do we need to protect ourselves against our own army"

remember a government should be afraid of its people not the people afraid of the government!!

Also gun control only makes crime worse since criminals don't follow laws the majority of gun crimes are by people who buy them illegally so the laws wouldn't affect that.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

See these 2 articles and see which is the safer place.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ths+in+america


http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...aths+in+canada

[Michael Larson]

Brian, They don't allow private gun ownership in communist countries, do they?

[Michael Larson]

Gun control has not worked in Canada. Since the new gun registration program started in 1998, the U.S. homicide rate has fallen, but the Canadian rate has increased. The net cost of Canada's gun registry has surged beyond $1-billion -- more than 500 times the amount originally estimated. Despite this, the Canadian government recently admitted it could not identify a single violent crime that had been solved through registration. Public confidence in the government's ability to fight crime has also eroded, with one recent survey showing only 17% of voters support the registration program.

[John Onofrey]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

See these 2 articles and see which is the safer place.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ths+in+america


http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...aths+in+canada

So according to the New York Time, black males never committ suicide with a firearm.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...H_GRAPHIC.html

[Michael Larson]

This is good too.

May 25th, 2007 at 12:58 am
Although crime in Australia is not as “out of control” as some US based pro-gun rights sources will have you believe, there has been enough research since to show that the national gun laws that the ‘conservative’ John Howard administration enacted after the Port Arthur Tasmania shooting massacre have had zero impact on Australia’s homicide rate. See here and here (PDF) for a detailed academic study. Still the pro-gun law people and the government can claim “success” in that there have been no mass shootings of the Port Arthur type since.
Private gun ownership was common in Australia, athough probably less so than in the US, since colonial times. It’s interesting to see how partisan politics impacts all this. There are plenty of people on the left of Australian politics who are ever ready to condemn the Howard administration for it’s “war” on civil liberties, in particular, tough laws against illegal immigrants, support for the US government’s maltreatment of Australian Gitmo detainee David Hicks, tougher “anti-terrorist” laws and the “smearing of all muslims as terrorists” etc. Somehow or other the left failed to notice that Howard’s assaults on Australians’ liberties began with his gun laws. Not only was a right Australians inherited from the English Bill of Rights of 1689 tossed in the scap heap with hardly any political debate, referendum or serious parliamentary dust-up. Howard also road roughshod over our Federal Constitution to do it.
On this point the conservatives, who usually claim to be defenders of our Federal system, were deathly quiet. The Federals have no power over gun laws outside of the Federal territories of Canberra and the Northern Territory. The government used it’s social welfare powers to blackmail all the states into adopting identical legislation it had drafted. They imposed a national Medicare Levy (a tax on our national public health scheme contributions) to finance the “buyback”, States that didn’t pass the federally drafted legislation would be thus taxed and receive no funding. Since this piece of creative federal power grabbing Howard, who claims to be a federalist, has sought to centralise more power in federal hands, first under the guise of “uniform national competition policy” but more recently in the areas of industrial relations, rivers and water and university education. This makes him the greatest centralist in the century or so of Australian federalism, overtaking the leftist Gough Whitlam for first place.
All this is enough to make you give up on the idea of that any protection of personal liberty is possible from either the left or the conservatives. Also it is a warning to Americans too. Watch out for national health policies, they may be used for more than just extending public hospital care

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Brian, They don't allow private gun ownership in communist countries, do they?

Your point? And which countries?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Your point? And which countries?

One reason that the Soviet army succeeded in those bloody episodes of subjugation was that the people of East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia lacked the arms with which to fight a guerilla war. Had the Poles and Czechs and Hungarians been as well armed as the Afghans, Eastern Europe might not have had to wait till 1989 for permission from the Kremlin to be free. Indeed, the best testimony to the power of an armed populace is the vigor with which the Warsaw Pact dictatorships enforced gun control. When the Communists took over Bulgaria on September 9, 1944, they immediately confiscated every weapon in private possession.
In East Germany, private gun ownership was outlawed, although citizens were allowed to rent hunting guns for one-day periods.
Immediately after World War II, Hungary was governed by a coalition of democrats and Communists. Preparing the way for a total Communist takeover Laszlo Rajk, the Communist Minister of the Interior, ordered the dissolution of all pistol and hunting clubs, as well as of other organizations which might prove a threat to government power. Rajk claimed he acted "in order to more efficiently protect the democratic system of the state."
Poland, on the other hand, did allow limited ownership of registered target guns with a license from the so-called "Citizen's Militia." In December 1981, Poland's dictator, General Jaruzelski, decided that Solidarnosc had gone too far. He declared martial law, arrested all the pro-democracy leaders he could find, and ordered all firearms and ammunition be turned over to the government.
Nowhere was gun control fiercer than in Rumania. The dictatorship of Nicolai Ceausescu used registration lists to confiscate all firearms in private hands. The government also registered (but did not confiscate) typewriters.