WA. STATE INSPECTORS (Email update from Mike O'Handley)

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Dale, the original legislation proposed last year had ASHI's SOP written into the legislation. I personally sent a letter to all the legislators in Washington pointing out the political problem they were going to have if they endorsed legislation that mentioned a known no-entrance-requirement diploma mill within it. That letter is somewhere on this message board, I can't find it. I included a copy of their come-only-with-cash application.

All references to the known diploma mill have been removed.

We also got specific invitations to public meetings for you to voice your concerns: http://www.nachi.org/wapublichearing2007.htm I might attend the Wanachee one myself.

Nick,

There is far more NACHI representation at the Burien meeting, not that the Wenatchee meeting isn't important, but I would think that the Burien meeting is one where if we come down on it hard, with the Org leader, we could really make a difference with the number of inspectors attending.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

See the above post Lewis, and then read the article in the Olympian for yourself, and carefully.

Go through all the posts on 5788 where someone posted that it was going to be voted on, and that it would be the next day, or after the weekend, and the post would be on a Saturday night or whatever.

As to your nasty language towards me. Say whatever you want Lewis. I've had worse said about me by my abusive ex-husband. You should go work that out with your anger management counselor, or domestic violence counselor.

Anger management, maybe you should check out most adult male's reaction to being called a liar, expecially by a no it all who has absolutely no experience in anything except whining, fabrications, and sob stories to get attention, I saw in another thread that you're a big advocate of GOYA, why don't you try that instead of spending all your time seeking attention on the internet? Why is it that you feel the need to call anyone who disagrees with you a liar, you do that in almost every thread, even more often than you threaten to sue them, we're still all waiting for ""Your People" to accomplish that, but since Bushart has become your best buddy the threat seems to be that you will make a "Formal complaint", why don't you do that Wendy, maybe I am Ethically wrong by challenging the Bullsh*t statements of the mentally incompetent.

narcissism

Mental disorder characterized by extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others.

Here's a group you should join, maybe they'll feel sorry for you.
http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER

[Dale Rowe]

Any proposed legislation will affect the entire state. If there is good representation from NACHI members in the Seattle area, it may be useful to show support statewide, therefore have representation at other hearings. The way these work, all testimony goes into the public record, so theoretically it is all reviewed prior to a decision being made, regardless of the location presented. A more important issue is to get NACHI members who testify to have some generally coherent alternative to offer the legislature. Emphasizing the continuing education NACHI offers and requires would be a good point. Groups that are successful at public hearings plan and choreograph their testimony for best effect. So, I repeat, we need a common message and alternative to offer, and need to discuss it prior to the first hearing.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Anger management, maybe you should check out most adult male's reaction to being called a liar, expecially by a no it all who has absolutely no experience in anything except whining, fabrications, and sob stories to get attention,check out most women's reaction to men making statements that aren't true about her all over a bb when they don't know her and have only read other falsehoods about her that they assume to be truth I saw in another thread that you're a big advocate of GOYA, why don't you try that instead of spending all your time seeking attention on the internet?You have no idea how much time I do other things. I'm a big advocate for Interstitial Cystitis, which is the bladder disease I have, and I am currently GOYA'ing all over the place nationally for them Why is it that you feel the need to call anyone who disagrees with you a liar, You do lie Lewis, especially since you make statements all over this bb that you fail to back up with fact. If you have the facts, please back them up here with a full bibliography you do that in almost every thread, even more often than you threaten to sue them, we're still all waiting for ""Your People" to accomplish that,My people already cleared 240 sites on the net of lies and inconsistencies about me and cleared my name of false accusations in the court system giving me a clean record but since Bushart has become your best buddy the threat seems to be that you will make a "Formal complaint", why don't you do that Wendy, maybe I am Ethically wrong by challenging the Bullsh*t statements of the mentally incompetent. I regularly make formal complaints when I feel they are appropriate. Something you should do rather than calling me names and defaming me over the net. Before someone brings up Russel, you're right, I should have handled that differently.

narcissism

Mental disorder characterized by extreme self-absorption, an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and a need for attention and admiration from others. This can only be proven by you knowing who I am in person. You do not know me and have never met me, therefore cannot judge me. Thank you.

Here's a group you should join, maybe they'll feel sorry for you.
http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER

People who often go around accusing others of being victims of mental disorders and needings their meds, and have mental diseases, often have undiagnosed mental disorders that they hope someone will one day diagnose for them. I talked to you about your issue with domestic violence which you regularly display here against me, indicating issues at home with your wife, and you accuse me of being a narcissist.

My father is a narcissist and I guarantee you I know what a narcissist is. It is very difficult to live with, and I can assure you, I wouldn't waste my time on this bb if I was a narcissist. I wouldn't feel that any of you was important enough to waste my precious time on if I was a narcissist.

[lcapaul]

I wouldn't feel that any of you was important enough to waste my precious time on if I was a narcissist.

But Wendy,you would, and you do, a narcissist also needs the admiration and attention of others, 7,000+ posts demonstrate that need. Poor, Poor Wendy, so misunderstood and so worthless.

[lcapaul]

Groups that are successful at public hearings plan and choreograph their testimony for best effect. So, I repeat, we need a common message and alternative to offer, and need to discuss it prior to the first hearing.

Dale, I have seen no consensus or "common Message" from members of NACHI in Washington State, some are for the legislation and some are against it, NACHI is not an Organization like a Union or one where members Vote and then act as a unit, members are individual businessmen with different views and different ideas of what is good for their business, I'm certainly not willing to turn the management of my business over to group rule.

There is nothing to stop NACHI members from forming groups of members for or against the legislation and presenting the view of the group to members of the Legislative Committee, I encourage that, whichever side you are on, but it would be foolish to say that your "Group" or it's opinion speaks for NACHI or for NACHI Members, because the next group that speaks or presents their view may be in opposition to your's and yet still claim to speak for NACHI Members, it would make NACHI and it's members look like confused, disorganized, fools.

Nick explained what he did last year, and what he did was because the Bill included reference to ASHI, no bill should refer to any Association. But for Nick to come and speak at Burien or Wenatchee would not accomplish the same thing, he could get up and speak as the founder of NACHI, and then a Washington NACHI Chapter President, remember we can all be Presidents, could stand up and be in opposition to him, Nick's Okay, he's a great speaker, but he doesn't speak for NACHI members, he speaks for Nick, if the Bill was biased and benefited one Association over another, then I would like to have Nick speak on that subject, but he has said that the Bill doesn't show bias in that way.

We have the internet, find other Inspectors who agree with your views, like you said come up with proposals or alternatives as a group, print them up, email them, have them signed, and then send a spokesman or more to the meetings and present your proposals to the Committee as a group. The system works, you just have to work it.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Nick explained what he did last year, and what he did was because the Bill included reference to ASHI, no bill should refer to any Association. But for Nick to come and speak at Burien or Wenatchee would not accomplish the same thing, he could get up and speak as the founder of NACHI, and then a Washington NACHI Chapter President, remember we can all be Presidents, could stand up and be in opposition to him, Nick's Okay, he's a great speaker, but he doesn't speak for NACHI members, he speaks for Nick, if the Bill was biased and benefited one Association over another, then I would like to have Nick speak on that subject, but he has said that the Bill doesn't show bias in that way.

Agreed, tell me though what is the general consensus over at Mike's Club (TIJ), my guess is mostly pro-licensing, am I right?

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Agreed, tell me though what is the general consensus over at Mike's Club (TIJ), my guess is mostly pro-licensing, am I right?

Mike's mad because I don't like his groups proposals and the way they decided they speak for all Washington Inspectors, the tone there is still in favor of Licensing, but not in favor of the present Bill, they, meaning Mike's group, want their own, for their own reasons, you can go back and read their Proposal and get some Idea of what those reasons are.

Most of the posters on TIJ aren't from Washington and don't do business there, so the overall opinion on licensing or regulation is much like it is here, split. I like the TIJ Board, you don't get fast answers to questions there, but there is a lot of good information without all the pi$$ing contests we have here.

If people want to get a Bill Passed or to stop the Passage of a Bill they need to get off there *****es and do something, this issue, this year I no longer have any great concern for, although I may show up at the Wenatchee meeting just to see what's going on and to meet more Home Inspectors from this side of the mountains. No matter what the Sunrise Committee decides there will be another big fight over licensing next year, either a new Bill or modifications to this one, Sen Spanel has already said so.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

But Wendy,you would, and you do, a narcissist also needs the admiration and attention of others, 7,000+ posts demonstrate that need. Poor, Poor Wendy, so misunderstood and so worthless.

Oh my God Lewis. Only if I were to judge my worth by your pathetic little mind, LOL! ROFLMAO!!!

I have so much more that makes up my day and my life and my self worth, and you are such a miniscule blip in the nosehair of my life, that it isn't even worth mentioning. LOL!

Gosh! You must be used to being able to rip apart a woman's self esteem at a whim or something because you seem to have thought that was going to mean something to me. LOL! *belly laugh*

Go have a beer and go fishing Lewis and quit wasting your precious time on me Lewis. I'm sure you have better things to do. Don't you? Well? Don't you?

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Oh my God Lewis. Only if I were to judge my worth by your pathetic little mind, LOL! ROFLMAO!!!

I have so much more that makes up my day and my life and my self worth, and you are such a miniscule blip in the nosehair of my life, that it isn't even worth mentioning. LOL!

Gosh! You must be used to being able to rip apart a woman's self esteem at a whim or something because you seem to have thought that was going to mean something to me. LOL! *belly laugh*

Go have a beer and go fishing Lewis and quit wasting your precious time on me Lewis. I'm sure you have better things to do. Don't you? Well? Don't you?

7060 posts in just over a year demonstrate just what makes up your day, especially seeing as you once told us you spend even more time on your Religious and "Support" message boards.

I don't consider you a woman Wendy, you are nothing but a whiner who blames all her many failures on everyone else instead of getting off your ***** and finding a job that you can do, gender has nothing to do with it, it's just something else you hide behind and attempt to use to gain sympathy, you're an embarrassment to working women everywhere, especially to single mothers who bust their *****es working to support their families. During 22+ years in the Military I saw hundreds of guys just like you, whiners, everything was someone elses fault, never theirs, and suprisingly, just like you, most were Experts in every subject. I made Civilians out of as many as I could, they were of no use to the Army and were a danger to the soldiers around them.

You shouldn't worry about what I do with my time, or my marital relationship, but I've been married to the same woman longer than you have been alive, I retired for the second time in 2000, I've spent the time since building and renovating houses and now, doing Home Inspections, at my own pace, along with doing as much offshore sailing as I can. This week I have time to screw around here because of a little minor surgery involving removing a screw from my leg that a ligament was rubbing against, now I'm down to only 21.

Keep posting Wendy, I find your whining and long list of continuous failures, caused of course by someone else, to be very entertaining, at least while my Percocet lasts. By the way, my pathetic little mind enabled me to earn a couple of college degrees and to, essentially, retire at 52, it seem though that you might have beaten me there, you seem to have found a way to retire at 40, at the State's expense?

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

7060 posts in just over a year demonstrate just what makes up your day, especially seeing as you once told us you spend even more time on your Religious and "Support" message boards.

I don't consider you a woman Wendy, you are nothing but a whiner who blames all her many failures on everyone else instead of getting off your ***** and finding a job that you can do, gender has nothing to do with it, it's just something else you hide behind and attempt to use to gain sympathy, you're an embarrassment to working women everywhere, especially to single mothers who bust their *****es working to support their families. During 22+ years in the Military I saw hundreds of guys just like you, whiners, everything was someone elses fault, never theirs, and suprisingly, just like you, most were Experts in every subject. I made Civilians out of as many as I could, they were of no use to the Army and were a danger to the soldiers around them.

You shouldn't worry about what I do with my time, or my marital relationship, but I've been married to the same woman longer than you have been alive, I retired for the second time in 2000, I've spent the time since building and renovating houses and now, doing Home Inspections, at my own pace, along with doing as much offshore sailing as I can. This week I have time to screw around here because of a little minor surgery involving removing a screw from my leg that a ligament was rubbing against, now I'm down to only 21.

Keep posting Wendy, I find your whining and long list of continuous failures, caused of course by someone else, to be very entertaining, at least while my Percocet lasts. By the way, my pathetic little mind enabled me to earn a couple of college degrees and to, essentially, retire at 52, it seem though that you might have beaten me there, you seem to have found a way to retire at 40, at the State's expense?

Ahhhh...so now we arrive at the crux of the issue. Lewis, I thank you for your service, and while I now understand what the issue is, the other part being anger brought on by the use of percocet which is a well known side effect in some people....look it up...I refuse to enter into anymore discussion regarding it. Your service is honorable to this country and I refuse to dishonor it by picking apart the reasons why you may or may not be choosing to degrade me regularly on this board.

Again, thank you and your brothers and sisters for your service to our country. I hope you enjoy your well earned and well deserved retirement.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Ahhhh...so now we arrive at the crux of the issue. Lewis, I thank you for your service, and while I now understand what the issue is, the other part being anger brought on by the use of percocet which is a well known side effect in some people....look it up...I refuse to enter into anymore discussion regarding it. Your service is honorable to this country and I refuse to dishonor it by picking apart the reasons why you may or may not be choosing to degrade me regularly on this board.

Again, thank you and your brothers and sisters for your service to our country. I hope you enjoy your well earned and well deserved retirement.

You Degrade yourself Wendy by your constant whining, I only had the surgery the other day, I only picked up my Perc's last night, they make me mellow, not angry. My anger is usually brought on by your name calling and threats, your lack of knowledge about anything amuses me more than it angers me, but then I have a very low tolerance for know it all's and whiners who can't get off the *****es and accomplish anything, and then blame their problems on everyone else. Get a life Wendy.

[wforsyth]

You know Lewis? You and only two or three other people are the only people who have any problem with me. That's how I know it's all in your head. I don't degrade myself, I don't whine, I don't do anything you claim I do. But I let you rant on because you must need to for some reason. Just don't let it cross over to my personal life, or my actual business life and we're fine. You seem to have this bug up your bum about me and that's fine, it's your right, but for goodness sake, don't keep projecting your issues onto me. BTW, the person who is feeling mellow on perc's is usually not the best person to ask how it makes them act. Often it makes them feel mellow, and then when someone messes with their "high" (that's what it is you know), then they react much more agitated than a normal person would. So please, don't think you can judge your own actions on narcotics(Opiates).

[rcarley]

I regret having to say this, but.... Lewis and Wendy, Please!!! Take your sandbox BS to your own BB or something. I wish to read about the issue in this and other threads. NOT have to swim thru your bog of nonsense. You both have had valid points and even those that I don't understand I'm sure that you sincerely believe in your individual stance. But please, have some respect for the other members that are trying to garner some needed information. I am not the kind of individual that gets in others business, but I, like many others I've talked to and the conversations that I've noticed here on this board, am sickened by the public display.

[wforsyth]

Randie, with all due respect, please speak to the person who needs to be spoken to. I was posting valid issues here and quite frankly I am sick to death of you or whoever else including me when you address Lewis for the sake of equity and I won't stand for it. I stated that Lewis was lying and maybe I shouldn't have done that even. But he does repeatedly come in when I am posting and lie about things I say, and I'm fairly fed up with it.
I leave Lewis alone for months at a time and he just can't leave me alone. He made it perfectly clear that he got stuck at home, bored, and high, and decided to take it out on me. Well, he can take it out on someone else or someone really ought to stop it.