You are not going to believe this....

[lcapaul]

Home inspectors are not allowed to dismantle, invade,
dig up, uncover, apply AC pressure gauges, do destructive
testing, tear out sheetrock, remove all the insulation,
and many other things... the home inspector is being
ask to look for things that are only visible, and accessible,
and still keep his prices reasonable in a free market place.
The home inspector is to call for qualified Professionals
to make further inspections and repairs where needed.

Wher is the Law or where in any NACHI SOP does it say that Home Inspector are NOT ALLOWED, to dismantle, invade, dig up, etc., the SOP may say that an Inspector is not Required to do so, but where does it or any Law say that doing so is NOT ALLOWED ?

If only the very basic visual inspection is allowed, then why are so many inspectors purchasing Thermal Camera's, performing Mold Inspections, Water Well, Radon, etc. What law prohibits an inspector from moving insulation, or from getting permission from the owner to do destructive or intrusive testing. Many inspectors are moving far beyond the simple SOP Inspections, Nick even encourages that, it's funny how many of those Inspectors who perform Inspections far beyond the SOP would still be Home Inspectors, while someone who's only claim to fame is claiming he has performed 1000 inspections, possibly to NO SOP, can become a MASTER, if he has $375.

But the liar, will have no honor and many will be discovered
in the pressures of the market place and by their performance.

So will the "Deceiver", someone who uses deception to claim they are something they are not.

How long would an affidavit submitted to the MICB need to be? "I have performed 1000 inspection and have been in business for 3+ years", why doesn't CMI have a definition or list of approved CE or Inspection Related training an education, applicants I guess can make up their own list.

Seeing as I have become one of the "Red Letter" guys, I can't respond to your post in your CMI/MCIB forum, but if you want to read where you yourself have implied the connection between CMI and NACHI just read your last post. Why would there be a connection between joining, or purchasing the CMI Designation and any fear of NACHI, if the two were not the same organization?

You criticized me for using the NACHI Logo and for even joining NACHI, as I've explained to the newest Village Idiot, Allen Insurance requires membership in a National Organization, not for a discount but to be insured, they are also one of the only suppliers of Occurance Insurance that is used for WDO/SPI purposes in Washington State, and NACHI is and was the easiest association to join.

Show me a program for certification in the States I do business in that meets the requirements I believe, and have stated, give credibility to a "designation", license, or "Certification", and I will gladly do what I need to gain them, just as I have acquired the Washington State SPI license and required insurance. There is no such program, YET.

You have a nice time selling your soap John, but your product the way it stands has no credibility.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Is there some mistake are you no longer a NACHI member ?????????
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No Results Name:N/AContact:N/ANACHI ID:N/ACity: N/AState/Province: N/ACountryN/ACertification Status: Invalid (no such member)The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors is a non-profit organization helping home inspectors maintain inspection excellence. For more information about NACHI, visit www.nachi.org.

I am a Member of the Environmental Solutions Association member #1683

I am a member in good standing of the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors (NACHI).
I have passed NACHI's on-line inspector examination.
I have completed NACHI's Code of Ethics obstacle course and abide by it.
I have passed NACHI's Standards of Practice test and follow them. I fulfill at least 24 hours
Standards of Practice

As a member of the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors, I follow the standards of practice and code of ethics set by NACHI.
View the NACHI Standards of Practice at http://www.nachi.org/sop.htm
View the NACHI Code of Ethics at http://www.nachi.org/code_of_ethics.htm

I guess I'm not, this seems to be the normal way or notification by the gods on the NACHI ESOP Committee, they make or receive a complaint and then take action without ever notifying the member untiill after the fact, unless of course you are one of their "chosen" where those rules don't apply. A case by case procedure Bushart calls it.

It's good timing though, seeing as Nick wouldn't answer questopms about whether members needed to change their logo, I ordered my new brochures and business cards without the logo, things work out in the end.

Edit: I did just receive an email notifying me that Bushart had sent me a PM but that my inbox was full, it seems us non-members can only store 50 messages so I had to delete my PM, so now Bushart can send it again or to my email, I'm so excited

Poor Roy, now you'll have to stalk Windy all by yourself.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Wher is the Law or where in any NACHI SOP does it say that Home Inspector are NOT ALLOWED, to dismantle, invade, dig up, etc., the SOP may say that an Inspector is not Required to do so, but where does it or any Law say that doing so is NOT ALLOWED ?

The law forbids destructive testing. Your inspecting some else's property.
Try it and see what happens.

If only the very basic visual inspection is allowed, then why are so many inspectors purchasing Thermal Camera's, performing Mold Inspections, Water Well, Radon, etc. What law prohibits an inspector from moving insulation, or from getting permission from the owner to do destructive or intrusive testing. Many inspectors are moving far beyond the simple SOP Inspections, Nick even encourages that, it's funny how many of those Inspectors who perform Inspections far beyond the SOP would still be Home Inspectors, while someone who's only claim to fame is claiming he has performed 1000 inspections, possibly to NO SOP, can become a MASTER, if he has $375.

99.9% of all home inspection are done with non-invasive means.
Without expressed permission, destructive testing is illegal.
You know that, stop being unreasonable about every point.

So will the "Deceiver", someone who uses deception to claim they are something they are not.

Did you remove your false NACHI logo yet?

How long would an affidavit submitted to the MICB need to be? "I have performed 1000 inspection and have been in business for 3+ years", why doesn't CMI have a definition or list of approved CE or Inspection Related training an education, applicants I guess can make up their own list.

Anyone can try to lie, cheat or show no moral ethics and get kicked
out of a HI association and feel they are always right in their own eyes.
We can't stop idots from breeding either.

Seeing as I have become one of the "Red Letter" guys, I can't respond to your post in your CMI/MCIB forum, but if you want to read where you yourself have implied the connection between CMI and NACHI just read your last post. Why would there be a connection between joining, or purchasing the CMI Designation and any fear of NACHI, if the two were not the same organization?

Little people have feared and attacked NACHI for years, before CMI.
Your attempt at a connection has no merit or evidence. NACHI
gives the same benefits to all members. That's it.

You criticized me for using the NACHI Logo and for even joining NACHI, as I've explained to the newest Village Idiot, Allen Insurance requires membership in a National Organization, not for a discount but to be insured, they are also one of the only suppliers of Occurance Insurance that is used for WDO/SPI purposes in Washington State, and NACHI is and was the easiest association to join.

You could have joined NACHI and not used it for promoting yourself?
But you are a liar. You went beyond just the insurance need and used the
logo to promote yourself as certified. Now you condemn others who
promote themselves all over the country, just like you did. Hypocrite.

You can promote yourself, but other cannot?

Show me a program for certification in the States I do business in that meets the requirements I believe, and have stated, give credibility to a "designation", license, or "Certification", and I will gladly do what I need to gain them, just as I have acquired the Washington State SPI license and required insurance. There is no such program, YET.

You can start by removing your NACHI logo and the rest is your self made
problem. You are right in your own eyes, even to the point of harming
yourself. Don't forget to call the insurance company.

You have a nice time selling your soap John, but your product the way it stands has no credibility.

I'm not selling anything. I make no money from CMI. It is to help other
inspectors. It's too bad you have thrown away so much just to appear right
in your own eyes.

Bye.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

I guess I'm not, this seems to be the normal way or notification by the gods on the NACHI ESOP Committee, they make or receive a complaint and then take action without ever notifying the member untiill after the fact, unless of course you are one of their "chosen" where those rules don't apply. A case by case procedure Bushart calls it.

It's good timing though, seeing as Nick wouldn't answer questopms about whether members needed to change their logo, I ordered my new brochures and business cards without the logo, things work out in the end.

Edit: I did just receive an email notifying me that Bushart had sent me a PM but that my inbox was full, it seems us non-members can only store 50 messages so I had to delete my PM, so now Bushart can send it again or to my email, I'm so excited

Poor Roy, now you'll have to stalk Windy all by yourself.

Congratulations Lewis I think you have just joined the smallest group of home Inspectors in North America.
Those who have been removed from NACHI.
I think I can count them on my fingers and have a bunch left over.
This is A very exclusive group.
Hope you are happy It is unfortunate that you had to bring this on yourself.
All the best hope things work out for you.
I know I will not miss your mean vindictive posts....... Cookie

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Bye.

Did you read the part about destructive testing AFTER getting the permission of the owner, just where is the law that prevents that? Destructive inspections are also done at time when performing mold inspections and pest inspections for the owner that do not involve the sale of a home. Remember Nick, and your own CMI designation both say that NACHI is no longer an association of Home Inspectors, now they represent Inspectors because the industry has and is evolving, Nick even said the other day that he would be happy to remove "home" from NACHI, except that he had been advised of the marketing value of the established name and logo.

So now you make your designation even less credible, if possible, by saying that "Inspectors" are not allowed to perform certain types of inspections, CMI does not include Home does it? Wouldn't including that make it CMHI? Is that copyrighted"

I've thrown away nothing John, and yes I always go with what I believe is right, unlike many here who believe kissing someones ***** will benefit them.

You're just an unpaid soap salesman John, Nick is using you.

As far as Logos go, I ordered new brochures and business cards without the logo more than a week ago, to remove the logo from my website, it's not included on my new one, I will have to get Roberta to do that, unless you know of some way to do so. At least now that I am a non-member, I can quit being so polite.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Congratulations Lewis I think you have just joined the smallest group of home Inspectors in North America.
Those who have been removed from NACHI.
I think I can count them on my fingers and have a bunch left over.
This is A very exclusive group.
Hope you are happy It is unfortunate that you had to bring this on yourself.
All the best hope things work out for you.
I know I will not miss your mean vindictive posts....... Cookie

Welcome to the exclusive group.
Now you can proudly say that you no longer support and was removed from an org where the orgs owner along with several members do not represent to the public what our profession truly is, not to mention the vindictive posts along with 1/2 truths and total lies against others in this profession made by a few of your fellow members are now not representative of what you believe in.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by dharris

Welcome to the exclusive group.
Now you can proudly say that you are were removed from an org where the orgs owner along with several members do not represent to the public what our profession truly is, not to mention the vindictive posts along with out and out 1/2 truths and total lies against others in this profession made by a few of your fellow members are now not representative of what you believe in.

Gee this sounds Like the way ASHI and (ASHI North,) OAHI/CAHPI operates.

you can come onto the NACHI and try and spread your untruths and vindictive openions.
The NACHI members are not allowed to even read what is said on the ASHI sites .
Now please tell me how that is the least bit fair or balanced .
We NACHI members allow free speech for members and non members ,The ASHI groups do not allow non members at all and members who do voice their openions are banished .
The Directors of the ASHI group to take information from the NACHI site and use it in many ways, typical ASHI group does as it wishes .

.... Cookie

[Doug Wall]

Post # 107
“As for the certification comments you posted (and again, I'm assuming you are referring to www.IAC2.org, correct me if I'm wrong) where you say”

Nick, I wasn’t referring to anyone. We have taken classes / certifications from almost everyone (ESA, EAA, Pro Lab, BTS, EMSL etc); the AmIAQC certification program has great credibility. Just thought some of their methods should be considered to separate your group from the pack so to speak. The mold profession as with the home inspection business is a living thing, always growing and changing, hopefully improving. We all need to improve constantly.
As for the radon story, well I don’t like second hand info, thanks, radon means little to me anymore. We started as a radon business, and have done quite well, but our focus is mold now. Radon is part of the indoor air quality, only reason I haven’t sold the radon business. Radon and mold information are handled by the same bureau in the FL DOH. Thank heaven those clowns are not handling the mold licensing.
I retired in 95, this is still my hobby, but John will continue to thrive in the mold business I’m sure. We have a new (young, 37) guy moving south in several months, maybe I can back it down when he gets here to help.
Have a good week, again,
Doug Wall
Radon & Mold Professionals
www.naplesmoldinspection.com
www.radonmoldhelp.com

[klott]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Wher is the Law or where in any NACHI SOP does it say that Home Inspector are NOT ALLOWED, to dismantle, invade, dig up, etc., the SOP may say that an Inspector is not Required to do so, but where does it or any Law say that doing so is NOT ALLOWED ?

If only the very basic visual inspection is allowed, then why are so many inspectors purchasing Thermal Camera's, performing Mold Inspections, Water Well, Radon, etc. What law prohibits an inspector from moving insulation, or from getting permission from the owner to do destructive or intrusive testing. Many inspectors are moving far beyond the simple SOP Inspections, Nick even encourages that, it's funny how many of those Inspectors who perform Inspections far beyond the SOP would still be Home Inspectors, while someone who's only claim to fame is claiming he has performed 1000 inspections, possibly to NO SOP, can become a MASTER, if he has $375.



So will the "Deceiver", someone who uses deception to claim they are something they are not.

How long would an affidavit submitted to the MICB need to be? "I have performed 1000 inspection and have been in business for 3+ years", why doesn't CMI have a definition or list of approved CE or Inspection Related training an education, applicants I guess can make up their own list.

Seeing as I have become one of the "Red Letter" guys, I can't respond to your post in your CMI/MCIB forum, but if you want to read where you yourself have implied the connection between CMI and NACHI just read your last post. Why would there be a connection between joining, or purchasing the CMI Designation and any fear of NACHI, if the two were not the same organization?

You criticized me for using the NACHI Logo and for even joining NACHI, as I've explained to the newest Village Idiot, Allen Insurance requires membership in a National Organization, not for a discount but to be insured, they are also one of the only suppliers of Occurance Insurance that is used for WDO/SPI purposes in Washington State, and NACHI is and was the easiest association to join.

Show me a program for certification in the States I do business in that meets the requirements I believe, and have stated, give credibility to a "designation", license, or "Certification", and I will gladly do what I need to gain them, just as I have acquired the Washington State SPI license and required insurance. There is no such program, YET.

You have a nice time selling your soap John, but your product the way it stands has no credibility.

Moooooooooooo!

[klott]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

I guess I'm not, this seems to be the normal way or notification by the gods on the NACHI ESOP Committee, they make or receive a complaint and then take action without ever notifying the member untiill after the fact, unless of course you are one of their "chosen" where those rules don't apply. A case by case procedure Bushart calls it.

It's good timing though, seeing as Nick wouldn't answer questopms about whether members needed to change their logo, I ordered my new brochures and business cards without the logo, things work out in the end.

Edit: I did just receive an email notifying me that Bushart had sent me a PM but that my inbox was full, it seems us non-members can only store 50 messages so I had to delete my PM, so now Bushart can send it again or to my email, I'm so excited

Poor Roy, now you'll have to stalk Windy all by yourself.

Moooooooooo!

[klott]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Did you read the part about destructive testing AFTER getting the permission of the owner, just where is the law that prevents that? Destructive inspections are also done at time when performing mold inspections and pest inspections for the owner that do not involve the sale of a home. Remember Nick, and your own CMI designation both say that NACHI is no longer an association of Home Inspectors, now they represent Inspectors because the industry has and is evolving, Nick even said the other day that he would be happy to remove "home" from NACHI, except that he had been advised of the marketing value of the established name and logo.

So now you make your designation even less credible, if possible, by saying that "Inspectors" are not allowed to perform certain types of inspections, CMI does not include Home does it? Wouldn't including that make it CMHI? Is that copyrighted"

I've thrown away nothing John, and yes I always go with what I believe is right, unlike many here who believe kissing someones ***** will benefit them.

You're just an unpaid soap salesman John, Nick is using you.

As far as Logos go, I ordered new brochures and business cards without the logo more than a week ago, to remove the logo from my website, it's not included on my new one, I will have to get Roberta to do that, unless you know of some way to do so. At least now that I am a non-member, I can quit being so polite.

Mooooooo!

[John McKenna]

The SoP (for home inspections, not ancillary inspections) say the inspector is
not required to do things that are invasive or destructive. WHY? Because
99.9% of the time the "home inspector" does not have permission, or
instructions from the SoP, to cause damage to someone else's property.
These same SoP are in agreement with many other laws that will
punish a person for causing damage to another persons property.

My point is, home inspectors do non-destructive inspections,
most of the time, and that is all that is expected of them to do,
by state regulation, HI assoc. and the industry SoP.

Therefore they inspect with non-invasive tools and do not have
to be masters of all the various trades to do a visual inspection.
A person who does an exceptional home inspection, is still
restricted by these limitations.

When you damage other peoples property, there are other laws
in place to prosecute someone for the cost of repairs.

Because the states and HI association understand that home
inspectors are not required to do exhaustive technical analysis,
the screening process is not at the level of a rocket scientist
working for NASA.

CMI requires experience and CE related to home inspections
as stated on the application. CMI is a designation for home
inspectors. If a person does termites inspections, without
doing home inspections, he cannot be a CMI.

Please read the CMI web site for more details.

BTW... some people have a meaning and happy life that is filled
with positive things to keep them busy. Others are unhappy and
have nothing better to do but hang around a forum where they
are not welcomed, and rain on everyone. It makes you wonder
how sad these people must be, to not have a life.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Nick -

Theres a house in my neighborhood that has been rented by 3 HUGE biker types and their old ladies. I don't like them in my neighborhood and would like them gone. But common sense tells me that if I stand outside their fence and keep taunting them and calling them names, that maybe one day one of them will come over to the fence and take a swing at me OR worse.

If I do that and they do that, why should I complain about what I knew had to happen eventually.

We did - they did. End of story.

So Dan, are you suggesting that we liken NAHI to "3 HUGE biker types and their old ladies"?

[Nick Gromicko]

Doug Wall, my apologies for assuming you were referring to me or IAC2.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

David -

I think I'm saying that if you keep taunting and insulting someone long enough they'll take a swing. If they do why should we complain. Got it??