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Old 8/19/11, 8:02 AM
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I was first taught to cut nice tight pretty corners. Later, when doing tear-offs, I'd see signs of leakage where the caulk had failed on every roof I tore off. Then, I worked with an old-timer that explained those tinner's wings, ( when I tore off roofs with those, there was seldom, if ever any signs of leakage.) and I switched tot he old ways. I often get on roofs with those and the roof has settled so much, you can see through from side to side and they still don't leak! There was a 3" gap under that pan in the first picture, BTW.
As an added step, I don't cut the last step flashing to the crease. I cut it to the thickness of whatever material I'm working with instead. If water ever made it past the wind guard, it would find a channel instead of a hole.
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Old 8/19/11, 8:15 AM
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I don't bother with too many 'finished' pictures, but I have some of this one. On the shoulder I made a foldable flap. The Zanchors went in, then the flap was folded over to cover the zanchors. I had asked if they would spring for a higher shoulder to be built up. It's only 3" high at the corner.

I got a call that it had leaked this year. I went over and sure enough, the whole thing was packed solid with trash. Gutters, never cleaned, etc. I stepped in two diverters to catch the trash and direct the water past the corner, and put a screen over it too.
Nice Frank.
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Old 8/19/11, 8:22 AM
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I was first taught to cut nice tight pretty corners. Later, when doing tear-offs, I'd see signs of leakage where the caulk had failed on every roof I tore off. Then, I worked with an old-timer that explained those tinner's wings, ( when I tore off roofs with those, there was seldom, if ever any signs of leakage.) and I switched tot he old ways. I often get on roofs with those and the roof has settled so much, you can see through from side to side and they still don't leak! There was a 3" gap under that pan in the first picture, BTW.
As an added step, I don't cut the last step flashing to the crease. I cut it to the thickness of whatever material I'm working with instead. If water ever made it past the wind guard, it would find a channel instead of a hole.
I can relate to the tear-offs Franks.
I was told the faster I ripped off and prepared the roof the more time I had to learn.
I was shingling in 2 weeks.
Slate work was with a large company. Everyone ripped but the foreman.
40 tinsmiths and apprentices. up to 5 working roofing gangs. Some as big as 10 men per gang.
I was Apprentice tin smith for I season.
Then bent tin during the off season.
For smaller firm.
Shown how to make and work off of templates.
Then the old tinners that shared their trade secrets.
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Old 8/19/11, 8:40 AM
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The old timers always said there was no use to caulk those corners. I put some there 'Just in Case' there is ever any capillary action.
The tinner's wings short-circuit one part of the chimney and corner flashings. Water doesn't hit the step flashings at all unless there is a driven rain. The water goes down the roof to the side.
Two front corners with a tinner's wing done by others. Nearly eliminates the need for caulk.

And a dormer corner done by me. I used a Multi-Master to clip the wood as necessary. Eliminated the need for any caulk and stopped the leak.
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Old 8/19/11, 8:58 AM
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Nice work Frank. There aren't many like you around here. It's mostly sheet metal and lots of latex caulk or roof cement.
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Old 8/19/11, 9:03 AM
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The old timers always said there was no use to caulk those corners. I put some there 'Just in Case' there is ever any capillary action.
The tinner's wings short-circuit one part of the chimney and corner flashings. Water doesn't hit the step flashings at all unless there is a driven rain. The water goes down the roof to the side.
Two front corners with a tinner's wing done by others. Nearly eliminates the need for caulk.

And a dormer corner done by me. I used a Multi-Master to clip the wood as necessary. Eliminated the need for any caulk and stopped the leak.


Caulking has become the shortcut
to preforming the job correctly Frank.
Accepted built in obsolescence to keep the industry revolving.
When doing repairs on roofs, I go through plastic cement. WOW.
The examples of trades men work I witnessed help me get evolved in Home Inspections Frank.
What will the next generation of trades men leave behind them as examples of the work ?



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Old 8/19/11, 9:14 AM
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Nice work Frank. There aren't many like you around here. It's mostly sheet metal and lots of latex caulk or roof cement.
Gees Louse Linas.
WOW.



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Old 8/19/11, 5:25 PM
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