Do you disclaim hard coat stucco?

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Wondering what the practice is out there. I'm not talking about EIFS. Wondering how many disclaim hard coat stucco or charge extra for it.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Why should we Joe, is my poll question?

Maybe we all need to learn more of the system and not leave it out.

Some could start here;

Stucco Inspection Links;


http://buildingcodes.jocogov.org/documents/Stucco.pdf

http://www.parex.com/pdf/stuccoma.pdf

http://www.mnlath-plaster.com/listin...esidConstr.pdf

http://www.mnlath-plaster.com/listin...oChecklist.pdf
http://www.californiastucco.net/Application.htm
http://www.sider-oxydro.com/what_stucco.htm


Look here for more helpfull links that might help some;

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f23/struc...84/index2.html

Hope this helps.

Marcel

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by jfunderburk

Wondering what the practice is out there. I'm not talking about EIFS. Wondering how many disclaim hard coat stucco or charge extra for it.

Charge extra to IR Scan the Leaking House----

[Russel Ray]

I'd be out of business if I disclaimed any stucco out here.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Was told by an inspector in my area that disclaiming hard coat was business as usual here. I was curious and wanted to see what others are doing nationwide.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by rray

I'd be out of business if I disclaimed any stucco out here.

Ditto down here, every other home has stucco in Florida.

Regards

Gerry

[Bruce A. King]

Why is EIFS not included in this poll? Its the same issue, either you take the 2 hours of extra time to do intrusive inspections or disclaim it right?

Anyone who is walking around a stucco house and "inspecting" it needs to learn more about how the stuff leaks and rots houses where you can't see.

Think your covered since the rot is not visible? On paper you are, in reality you will eventually get sued.

[tphillips]

Thanks for the links Marcel.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Sample Comments:

(1) Determining if the stucco application and underlying conditions are proper, cannot be determined by a visual inspection alone. This is beyond the scope of the inspection we are now performing. Even the type of system can sometimes be hard to identify due to builders and siding applicators using "custom" techniques. In some cases stucco systems may allow moisture to penetrate the exterior and become trapped, creating latent problems. An adequate stucco application cannot be verified by a visual inspection. We recommend that you consult a certified stucco specialist to further evaluate your stucco system; determine if the architectural details are correct; and test for the possibility of moisture intrusion. For a list of EDI Certified Stucco Inspectors and Specialists, go to:

http://www.exterior-design-inst.com to find a qualified inspector.

OR

(2) Due to issues withStucco Systems throughout the nation we suggest that the system be checked and inspected prior to close by a certified stucco specialist to further evaluate your stucco system; determine if the architectural details are correct; and test for the possibility of moisture intrusion.. A special stucco inspection will determine if moisture intrusion has occurred and if all of the necessary architectural details are present.

OR

(3) It does not appear that all of the accessory details were done 100% correctly on the Stucco / EIFS / Hybrid system. Because of the type of cladding system that stucco is, the initial signs of moisture entry may be hidden inside the wall cavities and not immediately visible. On stucco systems, rot can work from the inside out, rather than working its way inward, such as on a house clad with wood siding.

Determining the full condition of this type of stucco system can not be done by a visual examination alone. We did not perform moisture probing or intrusive testing

Due to known issues withStucco or EIFS Systems throughout the country (including class action lawsuits of various types), we recommend further evaluation, testing and a full moisture analysis of the EIFS OR Stucco System. This will determine if moisture intrusion has occurred and if all of the necessary architectural details are present.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Originally Posted by bking

Why is EIFS not included in this poll? Its the same issue, either you take the 2 hours of extra time to do intrusive inspections or disclaim it right?

Anyone who is walking around a stucco house and "inspecting" it needs to learn more about how the stuff leaks and rots houses where you can't see.

Think your covered since the rot is not visible? On paper you are, in reality you will eventually get sued.

So Bruce, you must be the one guy who said he disclaimed hard coat stucco. Right? What do you say about it when you get a stucco home?

I think I had one all of last year. But I've had two this week! Comes in spurts I guess.

[Brian E. Kelly]

http://www.metallathinfo.com/newsletter.htm

[Steven Woods]

Same here in El Paso everything is Stucco as well

[Carl A. Brown]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

http://www.metallathinfo.com/newsletter.htm

The thing that a lot of ex-perts over look is flashing that exits the water to the exterior of the cladding mainly sill pans for doors and windows and under decks,

I met Gary a few years back he told me I had to much passion for my trade.

I told him when I no longer had that passion I would be no different than the rest.

I do not like the one cote stucco, but moisture barriers and flashing are the real problems. IMHO

[John Shishilla]

Stucco is not a problem at all. I make lots of money fixing stucco related issues. A home builder out of Melbourne, Fl is going to fully fund my children' educations. Poor tyvek installs, no window sealer(unless you count stucco tape), not enough screws for the windows, poorly drilled/sealed shutter hardware, thin stucco not complete above windows and stucco bands, no caulking and finally cheap paint caused this four year old house to have major damage. I had framing members rotten and OSB that fell off the lath from the inside. Drywall and insulation ruined as well as baseboards and floor. The drywall installer knew there was a problem while the house was being built, because in several areas the insulation was actually removed before the draywall put in. These repairs cost 14K on this house alone. I am now looking at a third and fourth.

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

[quote=jshishilla;502505] ..no caulking ...quote]
Where was the caulking missing from?