Edging over shingle

[dfogleman]

The lap is correct the black area you mention is a black granule pattern that is used to create the effect of shadows here but then none there...the illusion of a random pattern and varied thickness of material more similar to a shake roof.

[Jason A. Sieg, CMI]

Originally Posted by dfogleman

The lap is correct the black area you mention is a black granule pattern that is used to create the effect of shadows here but then none there...the illusion of a random pattern and varied thickness of material more similar to a shake roof.

I have not seen that affect I guess on a non-dimensional shingle. Even so, that looks like a good inch of black... I guess just not my taste... it looks cheep (Oops, inexpensive) to me.

[Barry Adair]

I went back and looked close. The shingles are not 3-tab or laminate they are the base layer of laminate without the tab overlays notice none are notched for 3-tab). I'd say they were a bad run, defective and got past the QC folks at the factory. Contact the roofer that installed these or manufacture.

Also counting the ridge with about 5" exposure that is about a 4-5' open gable with a shed porch cover on either side, therefore the woven valleys.

[rfarnum]

Thanks everybody,
I always get such quality answers here, I wanted to clarify some of the questions you had.
Yes, there is a valley to the left in the picture, and it is woven. The shingles themselves are odd, but I have seen them before around here. Usually on garages or sheds, I did not find any extras in the garage or attic so I don't know the manuafacturer. They are like three tab shingles but there are no cut-outs, so they are really one big one tab. Like I said, I think I have only seen them on garages and sheds before, so maybe somebody is selling inexpensive shingles.

The shingles are buckling by the rake edge because they are stuffed in the channel. Thanks Donald, I was beginning to wonder if anybody had seen this type of channel before, sounds like it is wrought with problems. If we start having hurricane winds like on the ocean front homes here, we're all in big trouble....

Here is a picture of the valley next to it, they did not make a woven valley, and here is a close pic of the shingle itself (and the full gutters). The edging was on the rake ege of the peaks on the porch. The second story roof was a whole new story....

Thanks everybody,
Randy

[Barry Adair]

This is a non-approved method of instalation, will leak at every shingle abutment, and is in no way a woven valley. Requires replacement along with the drip edge immediately before damage or further damage occurs.

[David P. Valley]

I knew I wasn't seeing things. Something just wasn'r right with the first pic. Now that we have an overall view of the installation, you've got issues with that shingle installation.

As Barry already stated, this is an improper shoddy installation of shingles.

All roofing shingles must be installed horizontally.

This is what the installation should look like....

[dfogleman]

Holy botched up installs...this is an unacceptable valley installation method PERIOD. Without going into great detail about what to look for in what is wrong with it, simply defer to a roofing contractor.

As for the shingles! They are not a bargain basement product, if you would look back past the 5 year point it is likely you will find that they are Certainteed, Landmark shingles, very likely to be the 40 year product, the color is Resawn Shake and if you need some I probably have a few squares left in my storage building. (I can send them one at a time, how many stamps would it take?)

Seriously, when you find something this obvious screwed up then I submit that worse things were done in places you cannot readily see. Cover your assets!

Check out www.certainteed.com and look for the technical instructions on installation of a shingle roof, you will get the specs and info you need there including pict's to print out for proof if needed.

[rfarnum]

I didn't even send in pictures of the second story, which had the wood shingles covered with asphalt. Not a smooth line across the roof.

I guess not putting a valley in is a pretty quick way to shingle.

The flashing on the porch roof to second story was also mostly missing with a large gob of tar to "seal" out the water.

Probably would have been better just to let the roof alone in the first place.

At least I can refer the client to some good news about the quality of the shingle. Even though they are going to have to be removed. Thanks, you mentioned they are from at least five years ago, did they quit making them, and if so for what reason?

Thanks
Randy

[rfarnum]

Originally Posted by dfogleman

Holy botched up installs....

What a great way to say it....

[Barry Adair]

Contact the roofer "Harry Homeowner" and request receipts for this installation. NO roofer would have applied defective shingles or the valleys this way and if it was done by a "quack roofer" they should be sued for tear-off, materials, and labor to reinstall correctly.

Wouldn't be a hard case to win.

DV,
Thanks for the pic, good example.

"All roofing shingles must be installed horizontally." except in this example

[dfogleman]

Certainteed dropped the use of the black granules and moved to the darked color of the granule blend in the shingle for use in the shading area. They were trying to tone down the shadow lines based on market survey's.

How's that for knowing too much about shingles!

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Could someone please tell this client to clean his gutters before the snow flies. ha. ha.



Marcel