efis or stucco ?

[Carl A. Brown]

Yes it says EIFS!
BUTT your pictures are not EIFS!

And I don't care either!!

Nice visiting with you!

[Carl A. Brown]

We do not see eye to eye about housewraps and there installation!
Stucco is stucco
EIFS is EIFS

And they are as different as the way they are spelled!

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

EIFS is a Type of Installation.

Hardcoat Stucco is a Type of Installation.

Dryvit can be found in Non-EIFS applications / Installations.

Each installation needs to be evaluated independantly and reported according to what is found / observed at time of Inspection.

What I find to be applicable in most encounters. Hardcoat, EIFS, Dryvit, etc... is in most (if not all) cases improperly installed.

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by dduffy

Frame it....bottom weep flashing...vapor barrier....styrofoam....chicken wire.....stucco.

EIFS

This is how they install it in Arizona......I make a very good living watching it fall off the Buildings........

Maybe you should move to Arizona and install it the way they do in Kansas.

I'll go fishing......

Ahhhh....Maybe not, because you will still have the same Applicators...unless you bring them also......

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

EIFS is a Type of Installation.

Hardcoat Stucco is a Type of Installation.

Dryvit can be found in Non-EIFS applications / Installations.

Each installation needs to be evaluated independantly and reported according to what is found / observed at time of Inspection.

What I find to be applicable in most encounters. Hardcoat, EIFS, Dryvit, etc... is in most (if not all) cases improperly installed.

Exactly....Joe

[Carl A. Brown]

First things first!!! Can I go fishing to?

2> The reason I am not contracting stucco now is because I would not hire that type!! Thats why I am messing with you!

And they would not pay for quality in az. either!

[Carl A. Brown]

And the lack of craftsmanship is a nation wide problem!

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by cbrown1

And the lack of craftsmanship is a nation wide problem!

Carl:

The problem is International as the installers are generally not from the USA.

[Carl A. Brown]

I know Joe, Dale and I have allready coverd that in the forums at http://www.badstucco.com
The builders are greedy the city codes people have dropped the ball!

And our government has sold us across the river!

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by cbrown1

I know Joe, Dale and I have allready coverd that in the forums at http://www.badstucco.com
The builders are greedy the city codes people have dropped the ball!

And our government has sold us across the river!

Carl:

Part of the Problem is the Lack of Coordination of the Building Codes.

I received a call yesterday from a Plumber in regard to an Inspection that I performed citing plumbing deficiencies.

The installation, that I referenced in my report, violated UPC Code but was allowed under IRC Code.

The Plumber agreed with my reporting of the condition as it violated UPC Code but the condition was not required to be repaired as it met the IRC 2003 Code.

How is it that the Minimum Plumbing Code can be super ceded by the Minimum IRC Code?

Client will still have the Problem that was noted but the situation can not be addressed as the condition meets the Minimum Accepted Standard of an Alternative Accepted Code.

Consumers that think Codes are about Quality are Sadly Mistaken.

Code is not about Quality.

Code is not about Safety.

Code is about Risk Management.

[Carl A. Brown]

Dale
Stuccoing over the expanded bead foam might be causing the hardcoat stucco to crack even more then normal! With the expansion and contracting.

[Carl A. Brown]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

Carl:

Part of the Problem is the Lack of Coordination of the Building Codes.

I received a call yesterday from a Plumber in regard to an Inspection that I performed citing plumbing deficiencies.

The installation, that I referenced in my report, violated UPC Code but was allowed under IRC Code.

The Plumber agreed with my reporting of the condition as it violated UPC Code but the condition was not required to be repaired as it met the IRC 2003 Code.

How is it that the Minimum Plumbing Code can be super ceded by the Minimum IRC Code?

Client will still have the Problem that was noted but the situation can not be addressed as the condition meets the Minimum Accepted Standard of an Alternative Accepted Code.

Consumers that think Codes are about Quality are Sadly Mistaken.

Code is not about Quality.

Code is not about Safety.

Code is about Risk Management.

Well said! And if nobody gripes nothing will change!
The city codes people and the citys can't be sued but the private HI can be!

[nbhi]

What kind of inspection do any of you do for stucco? Or do you
just sub out the inspection?

[Bruce M. Graham]

Carl,
You mean this is suppose to have a caulk joint, who wood a thunk it.
But it's pk to sit on the ground, right?
the last photo is from a draw inspection