InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Inspection Forum > Specific Inspection Topics > Exterior Inspections

Notices

Exterior Inspections Contains discussions about the exterior portion of a home inspection. This includes roofs, gutters, downspouts, decks, patios, windows, etc.

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 4/14/10, 12:47 PM
mnicholet's Avatar
mnicholet mnicholet is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Posts: 543
Please Note: mnicholet is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default EPDM?

Can you please confirm this is EPDM? No UV protection? Thanks.
Attached Thumbnails
epdm-pict0372-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	96
Size:	68.5 KB
ID:	36448   epdm-pict0373-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	96
Size:	66.2 KB
ID:	36449   epdm-pict0374-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	97
Size:	45.8 KB
ID:	36450   epdm-pict0369-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	94
Size:	59.1 KB
ID:	36451  
Reply With Quote
Need a home inspection in New Mexico? Check out InterNACHI's listing of New Mexico certified home inspectors. Or, find a home inspector anywhere in the world with our inspection search engine.
  #2  
Old 4/14/10, 12:49 PM
mnicholet's Avatar
mnicholet mnicholet is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Posts: 543
Please Note: mnicholet is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: EPDM?

Vent stack flashing....
Attached Thumbnails
epdm-pict0377-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	75
Size:	55.1 KB
ID:	36452  
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 4/14/10, 12:54 PM
mnicholet's Avatar
mnicholet mnicholet is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Posts: 543
Please Note: mnicholet is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: EPDM?

Another view, it is my understanding that EPDM is typically a large membrane lacking seams.
Attached Thumbnails
epdm-pict0383-small-.jpg.JPG
Views:	107
Size:	51.5 KB
ID:	36453  
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 4/14/10, 3:15 PM
Nick Gromicko's Avatar
Nick Gromicko Nick Gromicko is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 30,614
Default Re: EPDM?

Kenton wrote this: http://www.nachi.org/epdm.htm He would know. PeaktoPrairie@msn.com



Nick Gromicko, Certified Master Inspector

Find a Home Inspector
"Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another." Proverbs 27:17

Last edited by gromicko; 4/14/10 at 3:37 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 4/14/10, 4:39 PM
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI's Avatar
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI Kenton H. Shepard, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 3,417
Send a message via ICQ to kshepard
Default Re: EPDM?

Mark, that looks like EPDM, which has good UV resistance, but it looks poorly installed. It should be stretched tight over the roof. EPDM typically shrinks after installation. The seams are sloppy too.

EPDM comes in different sizes including rolls 10 wide, which is what that looks like. It's available in larger sizes. That roof could have been done without seams, but is looks like a homeowner went to Home Depot and charged right into the job. It should be glued down. I don't see any fasteners and it's obviously not ballasted.




Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383
Certified Master Inspector (CMI)
InterNACHI Director of International Development
Director of Green Building

EXPERT WITNESS SERVICE
Conventional and Log homes

(303) 717-8940
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 4/14/10, 5:05 PM
Curtis M. Vilt's Avatar
Curtis M. Vilt Curtis M. Vilt is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Palmetto Florida
Posts: 890
Default Re: EPDM?

Looks like a Poorly installed Torch applied Modified Bitumen . The wrinkles are usually a result of the cap sheet installed beneth the roofing,or they went over a wrinkled hot mopped roof.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 4/14/10, 5:28 PM
Bob Elliott's Avatar
Bob Elliott Bob Elliott is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 21,916
Default Re: EPDM?

It can be glued or heated.
Modified bitumen would be hard and thinner,feeling more like shingle material, while EPDM is a little spongy and thicker.

As Kenton stated it is already UV resistant.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 4/14/10, 5:39 PM
Curtis M. Vilt's Avatar
Curtis M. Vilt Curtis M. Vilt is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Palmetto Florida
Posts: 890
Default Re: EPDM?

Seeing the flow on the seems is a give away to me that it is Modified Bitumen .Could be wrong but in a previos life I was in the Roofing buisiness and we installed thousands of squares of the stuff up by you Bob. Easiest way to tell is EPDM is like an innertube, Glued,ballasted or fastened with batten strips usually in 10' wide rolls,Modified is typically 1 meter wide mopped or torched down
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 4/14/10, 5:39 PM
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI's Avatar
Kenton H. Shepard, CMI Kenton H. Shepard, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 3,417
Send a message via ICQ to kshepard
Default Re: EPDM?

The EPDM should be stretchier. You photos looked like the material might have had a network of cracks, which I would not expect to see in EPDM but might in mod bit.

EPDM is basically vulcanized rubber and mod bit is basically asphalt that has been chemically altered to be more durable and flexible.




Kenton Shepard, InterNACHI member # 04082383
Certified Master Inspector (CMI)
InterNACHI Director of International Development
Director of Green Building

EXPERT WITNESS SERVICE
Conventional and Log homes

(303) 717-8940
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 4/14/10, 7:58 PM
Michael A. Gillingham Michael A. Gillingham is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Walker, IA
Posts: 41
Default Re: EPDM?

Looks like modified bitumen to me too. I've ran plenty of jobs with EPDM to be installed on the roof and that just does not look like it.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 4/14/10, 10:43 PM
measter measter is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Independence, KS
Posts: 162
Please Note: measter is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: EPDM?

Put your Tramex or other conductivity non-destructive moisture meter on it. (make sure it's dry underneath)

EPDM is a conductive rubber (one of the few, but there are others). It will show a positive moisture reading everywhere. Mod bit will not.

V/R
Mark
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 4/14/10, 11:43 PM
Bob Elliott's Avatar
Bob Elliott Bob Elliott is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 21,916
Default Re: EPDM?

Quote:
Originally Posted by measter View Post
Put your Tramex or other conductivity non-destructive moisture meter on it. (make sure it's dry underneath)

EPDM is a conductive rubber (one of the few, but there are others). It will show a positive moisture reading everywhere. Mod bit will not.

V/R
Mark
Hope nobody Needs to go That far
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 4/15/10, 6:28 AM
Marcel R. Cyr's Avatar
Marcel R. Cyr Marcel R. Cyr is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Winslow, ME
Posts: 19,794
Default Re: EPDM?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgillingham View Post
Looks like modified bitumen to me too. I've ran plenty of jobs with EPDM to be installed on the roof and that just does not look like it.
I agree, all we have around here is EPDM and looks no where close to those photos.
This is an EPDM roof here;



And here;



Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Inspecting EPDM. Please proof this new inspection article. gromicko Commercial Inspections 3 3/31/10 11:44 PM
How to inspect EPDM roofing. inxil InterNACHI & RealMatcher Blogs 3 3/29/10 11:05 PM
Inspecting EPDM. Please proof this new inspection article. gromicko Exterior Inspections 0 3/29/10 5:56 PM
EPDM membranes bknowlton Commercial Inspections 5 3/25/10 9:27 PM
EPDM Question mkiss1 Commercial Inspections 2 6/11/09 10:41 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 6:30 AM.


Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Inspection News

InterNACHI Membership

Inspection Standards

Inspection Education

InterNACHI Inspectors

Inspection Links

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts