Hard board siding?

[whandley]

Originally Posted by cwillick1

Hardy Plank is the trade name for one brand of concrete fiber siding, there are numerous other brands that are similar.
These siding products manufactured with a wood grain finish, resemble conventional wood lap siding when installed. It is a man made product that has very few drawbacks.
These sidings are concrete-based and extremely durable. They do not rot or deteriorate, and with proper installation and maintenance they appear to last without deterioration. The siding does need to be painted, it is not pre finished.

Hey Chad;

Durability is a problem with many cement fiber siding and roofing products. The court systems across the US and Canada are filled with class action product liability issues regarding same.

[Peter C. Russell]

Will, can you post some example's of those law suits and any particular brands. Fiber cement siding is used more in my area and the info. would be helpful.
Thanks

[mlopezi]

I would call it Hardboard and leave it at that! My guess it was made by LP

[cwillick1]

first i have heard of any one having a problem with concrete fiber siding. i would like a link if you have about the durability problems so can read up on it

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Some of this information might help some.


Not Yet Perfect



Engineered siding products include trim and fascia boards.


Engineered siding does have its flaws. Moisture remains a common enemy, especially to the engineered wood siding industry, which has suffered a number of class-action lawsuits due to moisture-related problems. These problems stemmed from product imperfections and installation errors. “Our earlier attempt at engineered wood siding, called Inner-Seal, was not made or treated the way SmartSide is,” explains Skoog, “and the result was product failure.” Since the revamping of their siding line seven years ago, LP SmartSide products have been installed on more than 1.5 million homes.

Fiber cement siding is also vulnerable to moisture invasion, particularly if installed incorrectly. Failure to properly install fiber cement siding can lead to mold and rot in the sheathing or structural supports. Installation is also a concern with fiber cement siding—it weighs about 1.5 times as much as wood, and requires special tools for cutting.

Fiber-cement products seem to have the least siding related problems but if improperly installed over infected sheathing, they may just be covering up future problems. Under certain circumstances, efflorescence can be a problem. Water-soluble salts that are deposited on the surface as excess moisture evaporates cause efflorescence. This usually occurs on improperly stored materials that have adsorbed excess moisture.


Louisiana-Pacific:
· The Class Action Settlement ended on December 31, 2002. Claims should be directed to L-P’s product warranty department. Call 1-877-677-6722 for LP Siding installed before January 1996
Call 1-800-450-6106 for LP installed after January 1996, Includes Smart System Products
ALso: L-P Customer Support: 1-800-648-6893 Warranty and Technical Information
for WarrantyInfo press 1 / Tech Info press 2
Weyerhaeuser Hardboard Siding:
· Claims information can be found at www.weyerclaims.com
Masonite Hardboard Siding
· Claims information can be found at www.masoniteclaims.com
Masonite Omniwood Siding:
· Claims information can be found at www.masoniteclaims.com
Boise-Cascade Hardboard Siding:
· Need to submit a claim to Boise Cascade? Mail your claim to: Boise Cascade Corporation, Timber & Wood Products Division, P.O. Box 62, Boise, ID 83707, Attn: Tana Rasmussen; phone: 208/384-6162; Include six photographs, one of each side of your house from a distance and two close-ups that will clearly show the problems you are experiencing. c/o Tana Rasmussen.
Georgia-Pacific Company:Hardboard Siding:
· This case settled a national class action, but the time period for participating has expired. The last date for filing claims under the settlement was August 18, 1998.
Stimson Brand Hardboard Siding (Forestex):
· This company no longer manufactures or markets lap siding. They continue to produce a hardboard panel surfaced with tempered hardboard marketed as Duratemp. Need to submit a claim to Stimson? Mail your claim to 520 S.W. Yamhill, Suite 325, Portland, Oregon, 97204-1319; Remember to send a few photos of your siding with your claim letter.
ABTCO Hardboard Siding
· Claims information can be found at www.abtcoclaims.com.
Smurfit Paper Company a subsidiary of The Jefferson Smurfit Corporation:Cladwood hardboard siding

• This product has been out of production for a few years but damaged products continue to surface. A proposed settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit concerning a siding product known as Cladwood. The settlement would provide compensation to persons who have incurred property damage resulting from failure of Cladwood siding installed on their homes or buildings. For claims call 1-888-572-3897, or visit their website athttp://www.cladwoodclaims.com/

Shakertown panel
· Panels manufactured before 1992 have been reported have problems with the way that they were processed.. There have been some complaints of the cedar shingles separating from their plywood backing. Poor installation techniques appear to be a major contributor to this problem. This product has been improved and seems to be exhibiting fewer problems.
Fiber-cement Products:

• Fiber-cement siding manufactured by James-Hardie Company (Hardi-Plank, Hardi-Panel, and Hardi-Home) have gained product recognition and an increasing market share.

Wolverine Dura-Press
· This product has been renamed Weatherboard and is being marketed under the Certainteed family of products.
Additional Fiber-Cement Products
· Maxi-Plank, and Maxi-Panel, Cemplank, and FortaFiber are some of the other participants in this market. Maxi Plank and Panels have been failing in an ever-growing number of homes and is likely to be the subject of a class action law suit.
EIFS (Synthetic Stucco)
·
A class Action Settlement is in effect for Senergy and Thoro brands of EIFS in the Superior Court of the State of North Carolina, Hanover County, and 96 cvs 0059. An inspection protocol has been established to define the testing methodology and procedures for filing claims have been instated. These materials were first used in the mid to late 80's, depending upon the area that you live in. Claims against these companies are being accepted by the Claims Administrator and must be in the proper form and must be accompanied be several documents.

• An ever-growing number of insurance companies refuse to cover EIFS Installers. The average dollar amount of EIFS claims is substantially higher than most construction defect claims. Barrier Systems are still allowed but most residential applicators have switched to a Positive Drainage System.

Louisiana-Pacific:
· The Class Action Settlement ended on December 31, 2002. Claims should be directed to L-P’s product warranty department. Call 1-877-677-6722 for LP Siding installed before January 1996
Call 1-800-450-6106 for LP installed after January 1996, Includes Smart System Products
ALso: L-P Customer Support: 1-800-648-6893 Warranty and Technical Information
for WarrantyInfo press 1 / Tech Info press 2
Weyerhaeuser Hardboard Siding:
· Claims information can be found at www.weyerclaims.com
Masonite Hardboard Siding
· Claims information can be found at www.masoniteclaims.com
Masonite Omniwood Siding:
· Claims information can be found at www.masoniteclaims.com
Boise-Cascade Hardboard Siding:
· Need to submit a claim to Boise Cascade? Mail your claim to: Boise Cascade Corporation, Timber & Wood Products Division, P.O. Box 62, Boise, ID 83707, Attn: Tana Rasmussen; phone: 208/384-6162; Include six photographs, one of each side of your house from a distance and two close-ups that will clearly show the problems you are experiencing. c/o Tana Rasmussen.
Georgia-Pacific Company:Hardboard Siding:
· This case settled a national class action, but the time period for participating has expired. The last date for filing claims under the settlement was August 18, 1998.
Stimson Brand Hardboard Siding (Forestex):
· This company no longer manufactures or markets lap siding. They continue to produce a hardboard panel surfaced with tempered hardboard marketed as Duratemp. Need to submit a claim to Stimson? Mail your claim to 520 S.W. Yamhill, Suite 325, Portland, Oregon, 97204-1319; Remember to send a few photos of your siding with your claim letter.
ABTCO Hardboard Siding
· Claims information can be found at www.abtcoclaims.com.
Smurfit Paper Company a subsidiary of The Jefferson Smurfit Corporation:Cladwood hardboard siding

• This product has been out of production for a few years but damaged products continue to surface. A proposed settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit concerning a siding product known as Cladwood. The settlement would provide compensation to persons who have incurred property damage resulting from failure of Cladwood siding installed on their homes or buildings. For claims call 1-888-572-3897, or visit their website athttp://www.cladwoodclaims.com/

Shakertown panel
· Panels manufactured before 1992 have been reported have problems with the way that they were processed.. There have been some complaints of the cedar shingles separating from their plywood backing. Poor installation techniques appear to be a major contributor to this problem. This product has been improved and seems to be exhibiting fewer problems.
Fiber-cement Products:

• Fiber-cement siding manufactured by James-Hardie Company (Hardi-Plank, Hardi-Panel, and Hardi-Home) have gained product recognition and an increasing market share.

Wolverine Dura-Press
· This product has been renamed Weatherboard and is being marketed under the Certainteed family of products.
Additional Fiber-Cement Products
· Maxi-Plank, and Maxi-Panel, Cemplank, and FortaFiber are some of the other participants in this market. Maxi Plank and Panels have been failing in an ever-growing number of homes and is likely to be the subject of a class action law suit.
EIFS (Synthetic Stucco)
·
A class Action Settlement is in effect for Senergy and Thoro brands of EIFS in the Superior Court of the State of North Carolina, Hanover County, and 96 cvs 0059. An inspection protocol has been established to define the testing methodology and procedures for filing claims have been instated. These materials were first used in the mid to late 80's, depending upon the area that you live in. Claims against these companies are being accepted by the Claims Administrator and must be in the proper form and must be accompanied be several documents.

• An ever-growing number of insurance companies refuse to cover EIFS Installers. The average dollar amount of EIFS claims is substantially higher than most construction defect claims. Barrier Systems are still allowed but most residential applicators have switched to a Positive Drainage System.

Marcel

[Russell Proefrock]

my customer wants some written info on why the composite siding needs to have a 1" air gap at bottom where the siding is over roofing material. apparently the city is saying it doesnt need to be.
any help where i can copy and paste a article.

[Mark Thorman]

Originally Posted by rproefrock

my customer wants some written info on why the composite siding needs to have a 1" air gap at bottom where the siding is over roofing material. apparently the city is saying it doesnt need to be.
any help where i can copy and paste a article.

http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/insta...eplank-hz5.pdf

Page 2 recommends 2 inch clearance above roofing.

www.MauiHomeInspections.com

[Kenton H. Shepard, CMI]

Originally Posted by gveal

Scott

I try to avoid using brand names, for trade type discription of materials. Hardie-Plank and Masonite are brand names that are typically used to describe all associated types of imitation/similar materials. I've been told, one could get in trouble for using improper/incorrect descriptions of materials, especially by Manuf's (Masonite and Others) in Class-Action lawsuits, that are pretty sensitive.

"cementicious" and "composite"

[Jim Abercrombi]

Originally Posted by whandley

Hey Chad;

Durability is a problem with many cement fiber siding and roofing products. The court systems across the US and Canada are filled with class action product liability issues regarding same.

There are no "durability" problems with this product. If anyone knows what they are talking about they would know that we in the trades have used this for over 20 years under ceramic tile on wood OSB sub floors. I just put it up on my home where the old WFS fell off and I put up tar paper 15 pound and it will last till the house falls in. Its a great product and the lies that you need special tools to cut it are just that lies. You can cut it with a carbide saw blade. You can use a 5$ dry cut diamond blade for a DA grinder or you can get the knibblers but most installers just use the same saw that you would use on wood siding. It nails a bit harder and I predrill the bottom at an small angle and that way when I put it up alone I can set the nail with out it falling out. I wish I had it on the home I purchased originally and I would have only had to paint.

People who trash CFS are either ignorant or they are plants from the company. I saw the video from LP that showed a 12# maul breaking the CFS and bouncing off the OSB smart siding. LMFAO, what a joke. Well I guess if people had homes that were being hit with 12# mauls all the time the smart siding would be better until it rotted off. LOL