Reporting correctly?

[Scott Falvey]

If an item is not properly installed, windows, but still works properly, how should it be reported.



The windows on this house were installed after the finish texture panel was installed. The nailing fins are on the outside of the finish material. No visable flashing, perimeter is caulked then trimmed.

There are no signs of leaking on the inside.

How would you guys report it?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by sfalvey

If an item is not properly installed, windows, but still works properly, how should it be reported.

Window is not installed in accordance with the manufactures installation instructions for window of this type and is likely to leak at some time in the future.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by sfalvey

If an item is not properly installed, windows, but still works properly, how should it be reported.

The window "still works" meaning, it opens and closes?

The window is installed to provide natural light, ventilation, and a means for ingress/egress (if it's openable). It is also a barrier against the elements (weather), which, when installed improperly, does not work.

Try this. . .

The windows have been installed without proper flashing and will be susceptible to leaks. Repair by a qualified contractor is advised.

[Scott Falvey]

They do open and close, quite nicely in fact, and for now they don't let the elements in. For now.

[Jae Williams]

Actually, Jeff, I like this better...

The window is installed to provide natural light, ventilation, and a means for ingress/egress (if it's openable). It is also a barrier against the elements (weather), which, when installed improperly, does not work.

[Gerry Beaumont]

Hi to all,

Scott, you could always do the

Window is not installed to manufacturers guidelines and may be a source of moisture intrusion due to defective flashings

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Regards

Gerry

[Brian E. Kelly]

The windows are not installed properly and should be evaluated by a glazier with remedy as necessary

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[Michael Larson]

We all are trying to put makeup on the ugly dog.

I'm considering offering The Plain Talk Report where I could just say.

"That ain't right, it needs to be fixed by someone who knows what they are doing"

[Shawn Rowe]

Originally Posted by mlarson

"That ain't right, it needs to be fixed by someone who knows what they are doing"

Exactly! Don't we wish we could say what we are really thinking?

[festep]

The only requirements for window installation in accordance with most of the Manufacturers is I.e. Fastener spacing, Fastener type, Minimum penetration of the fastener to structural member, Shim space, Sealing of the perimeter Flange or Casing. There is generally a note as to "properly flashed at the head".There are no requirements specified for triming of windows. If the window is installed in accordance with the above requirements. It servicability will be the life span of the specified sealant. It is not wise not to provide trim and additional sealing around the perimiter but the manufacturer only specifies the window installation and not the exterior trim or type of caulk.

[festep]

Sorry left out "not wise not to install trim and additional caulking"

[Scott Falvey]

I guess part of my question is, if something is installed incorrectly, not to spec etc, would it be considered defective or acceptable as long as it is functioning "properly"?

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

My definition of what goes in the Summary is anything that: "adversely affects the habitability of the dwelling, requires repair or subsequent observation, or warrants further investigation by a qualified specialist." That definition was kindly provided by the state of NC.

I'd say the window "requires repair" and is thus Summary Worthy.

Your question about whether it is "defective" or "acceptable" is not a consideration in the way I do my reports. The important thing, in my view, is that you set criteria and be consistent.

[Scott Falvey]

Good advice Joe. I have been writing reports for just over one year and I am slowly getting in the groove of consistency. I know consistency is key as long as it isn't consistantly wrong.