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Old 11/17/11, 10:33 PM
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Default Shysters working every angle

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Booked a roof inspection next week client stated new shingles had been installed recently and is now leaking. Contractor stated he would not make repairs unless he has more money as the leak is the result of the recent earth quake. ?????? We shall see



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Old 11/18/11, 6:41 AM
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Result of earthquake? We don't get those around here but it seems to me like it would take a good amount of structural movement to cause the roof covering the separate that much.

What's he going to say if you document improper install? Sounds like the buyer is setting up for litigation. Be sure to dot your i's and cross your t's on this one.



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Old 11/18/11, 7:41 AM
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I agree with Vince. When I am doing just a roof inspection I will take many more pictures than a normal inspection. Everything that is written in the report is well thought out and according to SOP not according to code. If you mention anything to do with according to code you are in for litigation for sure.
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Old 11/18/11, 8:43 AM
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I agree with Vince. When I am doing just a roof inspection I will take many more pictures than a normal inspection. Everything that is written in the report is well thought out and according to SOP not according to code. If you mention anything to do with according to code you are in for litigation for sure.
THINK, CHECK for reference and then WRITE.
That is why I agreed to take this job he will sue the contractor if repairs are not completed I like these kind of jobs not my first Rodeo



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Old 11/18/11, 10:03 AM
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Contractor stated he would not make repairs unless he has more money as the leak is the result of the recent earth quake.
Are you serious? Roofers in CA would love to use that line

My roof has survived two major earthquakes and countless minor ones. Other than replacing a few broken tiles, I have had no issues - even when we had 10 inches of rain in a 7 hour period.

If your roof is leaking after an earthquake, you've got bigger issues - you've likely got some serious structural damage.



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Old 11/18/11, 3:15 PM
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Are you serious? Roofers in CA would love to use that line

My roof has survived two major earthquakes and countless minor ones. Other than replacing a few broken tiles, I have had no issues - even when we had 10 inches of rain in a 7 hour period.

If your roof is leaking after an earthquake, you've got bigger issues - you've likely got some serious structural damage.
my thoughts exactly, Jeff, from Hurricane Alley Port St. Lucie, FL.

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Old 11/19/11, 5:07 AM
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Did a technical exhaustive for a client.I brought the roofer on the site to here him speak only.
I knew he had little experance.
PS: Roofer recomended by a leading HI.
Everytime he opened his mouth I saw what little experance he really had.
When I obtained my license there was one question about shingle roof. How to start.
3/12 with no step flashing on firewall or vertical seperation wall. Revirsed the flashing and copping laps for water tight tin.
All the water driven into the flashings and copping at the start of the roof plane.
14 pages.
1.> shysters-working-every-angle-zz-1.jpg

2.> shysters-working-every-angle-zz-2.jpg

3.> shysters-working-every-angle-zz-3.jpg

4.> shysters-working-every-angle-zz-4.jpg
Can someone tell me what is wrong with photo 3.
I will tell you if you are right or not. Good teaching tool.



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Old 11/19/11, 5:12 AM
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Are you serious? Roofers in CA would love to use that line

My roof has survived two major earthquakes and countless minor ones. Other than replacing a few broken tiles, I have had no issues - even when we had 10 inches of rain in a 7 hour period.

If your roof is leaking after an earthquake, you've got bigger issues - you've likely got some serious structural damage.

Mr Pope the heck with your roof surviving those natural events.
Its your family's safety I would worry about.
Thinking of moving? HA HA HA.
All joking aside. Seriously!



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Old 11/19/11, 10:58 AM
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Thinking of moving? HA HA HA.
I lived out of this state for about 7 years, having been relocated for various construction projects. I'll take earthquakes and wild fires over any other natural disaster. It's part of life here in CA.

Fortunately, and despite all of the devastation produced, no one I know (personally) has ever been seriously injured in a quake or wild fire.



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Old 11/19/11, 5:40 PM
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#3 the paper should be under the drip / edge flashing on the side?



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Old 11/22/11, 3:44 PM
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I looked at the quake damaged roof today (Cough Cough) improper flashing creating leaks on both sides of the roof long before the Okla quake arrived deck was rotted as viewed from within the attic Contractor installed new shingles over rotted decking
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Old 11/22/11, 4:15 PM
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poor roofer just trying to make a buck




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Old 11/22/11, 5:09 PM
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poor roofer just trying to make a buck

One buck is ok its when a roofer attempts double dipping is the problem



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Old 11/23/11, 2:33 PM
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Sorry Carl. Been working long hours.
Close.



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Did a technical exhaustive for a client.I brought the roofer on the site to here him speak only.
I knew he had little experance.
PS: Roofer recomended by a leading HI.
Everytime he opened his mouth I saw what little experance he really had.
When I obtained my license there was one question about shingle roof. How to start.
3/12 with no step flashing on firewall or vertical seperation wall. Revirsed the flashing and copping laps for water tight tin.
All the water driven into the flashings and copping at the start of the roof plane.
14 pages.
1.> Attachment 49917

2.> Attachment 49918

3.> Attachment 49919

4.> Attachment 49920
Can someone tell me what is wrong with photo 3.
I will tell you if you are right or not. Good teaching tool.
There doesn't appear to be a starter course up the rake edge.



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