Why Ban Brian MacNeish? Petition to reinstate!

[Ed Fako]

Dear Administration and Moderators and fellow Members,

I would like to solicit feedback on the following message I received from Brian MacNeish.

I have received the following correspondance from Brian MacNeish through my roofing blog site, and a portion of my reply is contained in the following text as well.

I sincerely have the utmost respect for this mans opinions and sources quoted from and feel it is inappropriate of the Nachi forum to ban a member for having the right to his opinion, especially without contacting him first about their concerns about what he states in his posts.

Since this Exteriors Forum is where I know him from, I felt it would be appropriate to relate the conversation here, but if their is another forum more appropriate to do so, please advise me and move this message accordinglly.

Since I am raising this concern with your bannishment procedure, I sincerely hope that does not cause a banning of my registration as well. I feel that his opinions and well researched writings, although of contrary position to my own, are an asset to the educational process that this forum is supposed to promote.

I am a moderator of a site with over 14,000 members, so I know personally that some comments can be a bit brash towards us, but the skin needs a little thickening, to allow a multitude of opinions to be expressed, even if they run contra to our own.

I am not trying to belittle the staff here with this posting, but I believe that this is an important issue, which only serves to limit our potential for learning.

Respectfully,

Edward Fako ( Ed The Roofer )
Right Way Roofing Company

P.S. Although I am not a Home Inspector, I am very appreciative to being allowed the opportunity to express my views and opinions on this site and would hope that this post does not preclude me from continuing to do so.


The Initial message from Brian and my edited response are in reverse order.

Brian,

That really disturbs me that they would have completely banned you without advance PM'ing you as to their concerns first.

Although you have a different opinion about ventilation, I truly and sincerely respect your positioning statements and back up reference articles. I hope that you remain in contact, as I have rarely found anyone with such diligent back up resources to substantiate their claim and position on any other site I participate in.

I will post an objection to your banning on Nachi when I am done with this note to you.

A new comment on the post #4 "Do I have enough attic intake ventilation" is waiting for your approval
http://rightwayroofing.wordpress.com

Author : Brian MacNeish

I saw your post tonight at NACHI. I am not allowed to post there anymore!!

Probably because:

(1) I question their "certification" and

(2) embarrassed the ESOP committee member, Joe Farsetta, after he called me "dopey", a "fake" and a "tool".

I did this by finding web references and sites that backed my claims of being a mulitfaceted operator.........the next day, I was barred from posting. may get back to you on the roofing stuff later......it's 11:00 pm here.

regards,
Brian

[tallen]

There is no "procedure" they just get rid of you when they do not like what you type...

[tallen]

Active rain seems to be a hot house for HI's.

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by tallen

There is no "procedure" they just get rid of you when they do not like what you type...

Too bad that those who come into our home as guests have to try and undermine this association . Very poor taste.
We all know this association is the only one that allows none members to visit and post and still some and show that they do not appreciate what NACHI does for all home inspectors .
I sort of hoped Todd was above this ............... Cookie

[Ed Fako]

[quote=rwand1]Maybe Brian needs to be careful how he paints everyone in Nachi with the same brush. I just read what he said on active rain and he should get his facts straight.

Isn't each person allowed to express their own opinion?

Should a qualified and intelligent participant be banned for having his own opinion and having the gall to express his views?

I personally believe that we all need to hear and see the "other" perspective, so that we can explore our own position regarding almost all matters.

I didn't get the implication that Nachi in and of itself is a bad organization. I just perceived that too many "newbies" were being led to the golden trough, while the water is running dry.

The same thing occurs in my roofing trade because it is so easy to become a start up company and the licensing process is just a $ 200.00 farce. I am sure that this is common with many other fields as well.

Ed

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by rwand1

I guess Nachi is excercising its rights just like every other association does. OAHI has a history of suspending people from their discussion board if they don't like what is being posted, even if it is the truth. And thats a fact.

That seems to happen in Canada.
Bill Mullens Canuk list removed people who made post's he did not like .
Then Bill Comes on the NACHI site and says far far worse here.
Different strokes for different folkes .

CAHPI closed down there BB as they too did not like the things being said . Oh! well we can see why NACHI is growing so fast while the other canadian associations are not .
NACHI the only place where the truth comes out for all to see.

[jbushart]

Here is some feedback you may not want to hear...but is something you must consider.

Guests have no "rights" to post anything on our message board. They are allowed to post (and not allowed to post) at the total discretion of those who control access to our board.

If one wants to have "rights" and wishes to exercise them, then one should become a member.

[Ed Fako]

[quote=jbushart]

Guests have no "rights" to post anything on our message board. They are allowed to post (and not allowed to post) at the total discretion of those who control access to our board.

quote]

Then wouldn't an editing of an inappropriate post be better served as proper modification?

The man has extremely useful knowledge and input, regardless if I take the opposite position to his premises regarding ventilation.

I truly respect the process of forcing myself to dig deeper into my own prevailing knowledge resources to find either justification or irrationality with the premises put forth.

There once was a society which burned all books that leaned toward a differing thought process than that of their dictatorship government and I feel offended that alternative points of view can not be tolerated or debated intelligently rather than simply just banning the opposing thoughts from the forum.

Yes, it is a "Guests" priviledge to be able to entertain thought provoking discussions with this group of intelligent inspectors, but why is a learned person who is not a Nachi inspector construed to have any less of a valid opinion about topical matters as they apply to real world construction and building science?

If that must be the implication, then no sources who advance technology and building science knowledge should ever be quoted from. Good gracious, these illuminated theorists have no place to have their wisdom parroted on a site like this, if that open dialogue and thought line were to prevail.

I respectfully plead with you to further open your minds to disconcerting points of view, for your and my sake, as well as to further every potential viewer who wishes to challenge existing accepted practices.

Respectfully,

Ed

[jbushart]

I spoke with Joe on the phone, and he has no recollection of exchanging words with this guy.

He went on to ask me "If I could keep a non-member off the board, do you think we would be putting up with the nonsense from Allen and Harris?" This assures me that there are no measures taken to bar non-member posts.

I've met Joe, talked with him a lot, and know him pretty well and I can tell you that - aside from sending someone to his house and having his hands broken - there is little he can do to stop your friend from posting. As for the broken hands, I would not worry too much about that, either. Joe hasn't done that for years.

Tell your pal to post. No one is stopping him.

[rcooke]

[quote=Ed Fako]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Guests have no "rights" to post anything on our message board. They are allowed to post (and not allowed to post) at the total discretion of those who control access to our board.

quote]

Then wouldn't an editing of an inappropriate post be better served as proper modification?

The man has extremely useful knowledge and input, regardless if I take the opposite position to his premises regarding ventilation.

I truly respect the process of forcing myself to dig deeper into my own prevailing knowledge resources to find either justification or irrationality with the premises put forth.

There once was a society which burned all books that leaned toward a differing thought process than that of their dictatorship government and I feel offended that alternative points of view can not be tolerated or debated intelligently rather than simply just banning the opposing thoughts from the forum.

Yes, it is a "Guests" priviledge to be able to entertain thought provoking discussions with this group of intelligent inspectors, but why is a learned person who is not a Nachi inspector construed to have any less of a valid opinion about topical matters as they apply to real world construction and building science?

If that must be the implication, then no sources who advance technology and building science knowledge should ever be quoted from. Good gracious, these illuminated theorists have no place to have their wisdom parroted on a site like this, if that open dialogue and thought line were to prevail.

I respectfully plead with you to further open your minds to disconcerting points of view, for your and my sake, as well as to further every potential viewer who wishes to challenge existing accepted practices.

Respectfully,

Ed

Ed I have no idea why Brain is not allowed to post on the NACHI site but I do respect there decisions .
NACHI is the most open and forgiving association and the most open BB I could ever hope for .
I do know how the Canadian association operate as having been a member for considerable years and being on many committees .
There is absolutely no comparison to how the operater and how they treat Canadian Home Inspectors.
I am the oldest Canadian NACHI member and have not for one minute have I been sorry I joined NACHI and left the Canadian Organizations.
I do wonder why it is you who are asking NACHI the questions and why Brian does not do his own asking . He does have my email and many others are very easy to get .
It is obvious he has been visiting the NACHI site as he has sent email to me on my posts.
.I wonder do you have any knowledge on NACHI and what it does for all home Inspectors every where.
NACHI for less then $269;00 gives more than others.
NACHI Conference $99:00 was so Superior to any Canadian Conferences and 4 times that price.
I am sure you too have seen what a great group of Home inspectors we have at NACHI.
......... Cookie

[Ed Fako]

[quote=rcooke

I am sure you too have seen what a great group of Home inspectors we have at NACHI.
......... Cookie

[/quote]

Absolutely!

I enjoy the learned from the thought provoking discussions I have been granted the priviledge the be able to partake in for myself.

I would hate to see another participant, (not yet a friend, just a person who has my respect for his knowledge and resourceful insight), be banned for expressing an opposing view point.

Could it possibly be that he only had some internet connection problems, and I have jumped the gun so to speak, to prevail upon the forum administration to correct something that needs no correction?

I only speak from the heart of passion to further enable myself to learn from as many sources as possible.

This is why I relish the opportunity to be able to participate amongst your organizational discussions, especially and so far exclusively in this "Exteriors Forum", which I feel I can provide additional insight about.

Brian, try logging in again to see if there was an error on your part.

I have thoroughly voiced my opinions, so, with that, I do not need to further trumpet my own opinion about this matter any more.

Thanks for listening and responding.

Ed

[Dale Duffy]

rcooke
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Roy

Why is this BB showing you as a non-member?

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by dduffy

rcooke
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Roy

Why is this BB showing you as a non-member?

No idea

[tallen]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Too bad that those who come into our home as guests have to try and undermine this association . Very poor taste.
We all know this association is the only one that allows none members to visit and post and still some and show that they do not appreciate what NACHI does for all home inspectors .
I sort of hoped Todd was above this ............... Cookie

I only speek the truth Roy and you damn well know it.

This was my latest red square post.

It would seem Roy missinterpretid my post.. Wow talk about no spelling MF'r LOL

[tallen]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Here is some feedback you may not want to hear...but is something you must consider.

Guests have no "rights" to post anything on our message board. They are allowed to post (and not allowed to post) at the total discretion of those who control access to our board.

If one wants to have "rights" and wishes to exercise them, then one should become a member.

That is a funny statement James.