First time seeing EIFS ... need advice

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

In the past month I've gone out to do EIFS inspections on homes where its simply stucco over plywood implants on the trim. OR gone out to do an inspection on the stucco for a relo and discovered its fiberous siding textured to look like stucco. I was out there because the home inspector explained about moisture issues with EIFS and told how to repair crap that was NOT even EIFS ..... Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Just tell them it is damaged, needs repairs and move on .............

Most stucco has the same type moisture problems as EIFS except for foam issues. So DO NOT downplay issues just because its real stucco

[David Nasser]

Thanks everybody for the feedback.....I got a good education
and great verbiage that I will save for my report.

David

[clambert2]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Charles -

As a stucco person myself, you have indicated by your commentary you don't really know what you're looking at, so rather than trying to provide a repair solution that can get your titt in a wringer and sued try one of these:

In the past month I've gone out to do EIFS inspections on homes where its simply stucco over plywood implants on the trim. OR gone out to do an inspection on the stucco for a relo and discovered its fiberous siding textured to look like stucco. I was out there because the home inspector explained about moisture issues with EIFS and told how to repair crap that was NOT even EIFS ..... Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Just tell them it is damaged, needs repairs and move on .............

Hmmm..funny that is what I suggested, you sure you put the correct name on your post? Refer to post #11

[Tim Spargo]

Refer to the EIFS specialist but be ready to get your checkbook out and give a refund or pay for the specialist when it come back to foam trim

As Chuck said... there are HCCS systems with plant-on foam trim all-the-time here in CA.

There are also EIFS systems as well... you will need to know how to discern both.. or then again *just have your check book ready either way*

Discrediting someone because they "sell something" is utter BS, BTW.

[Chuck Evans]

Sure looks like a typical planton to me. Don't look at trim pieces to determine if the stucco is cement based or an EIFS system. Traditional stucco is commonly fitted with foam filled planton trims.

It should be called out as a defect and recommend repair, but I would not refer to it as EIFS unless the walls themselves are are covered with a syntethic EIFS system.

Incorrectly labeling a house as EIFS could get expensive!

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by tspargo

As Chuck said... there are HCCS systems with plant-on foam trim all-the-time here in CA.

There are also EIFS systems as well... you will need to know how to discern both.. or then again *just have your check book ready either way*

Discrediting someone because they "sell something" is utter BS, BTW

Forget that you and Charles may be friends...

Do you automatically take as gospel the word of: 1) someone you don't know, 2) someone who's profile shows they've been a member for less than a year, 3) their profile website shows they are a forms saleman, 4) there is no information to indicate that they are an inspector, or 5) someone that does not indicate in any way, shape or form that thay have any knowledge of the construction industry? I know I don't. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I did a cursory look for who and what knowledge he may have. I found squat! My concern is that he is not knowledgeable and the MANY newer inspectors out there get bad advice. Everyone can overcome a WH gone bad, but not many could survive a home with bad EIFS! Due diligence is the name of the game in this industry.

For the newer inspectors that aren't aware of who Barry is, he is a long-time member, very seasoned inspector. He is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful members in this association. Quite often he will assist someone directly through the PM system, or email, without ever showing his face on this MB. So as an FIY, you can trust him to give you factual information as he sees it from his extensive experience.

There... I'm done. Sheesh!

[Tim Spargo]

Actually, I don't take as gospel much of anything... but I know what you mean.

My response was based on the fact that Chuck's response was/is correct. That looks like a Hard Coat system.. and plant-on trim is in fact very common here

and

If we are to discredit those who "sell stuff" (directly or through the constant barrage of BUY THIS IT'S THE BEST kind of crud) many here would have very little "credit".. would you agree?

Chuck's response had merit, as you can find in later discussion or research. I *do* realize what you are saying Jeff, I wonder who many see what I'm saying?