Safety glass needed?

[Bobby Hamilton]

Originally Posted by jpope

Not required, and not even recommended. I don't see this as a "safety" concern.

WOW!

Once you see a child get hurt you'll change your tune. My 5 year old nephew had this happen while he was playing and required stitches. Luckily it didn't hit him in the eye. Never question safety. I always recommend any window under 18" from the floor, at the bottom of a stairway, or in the path of a swinging door, and the bath area. Just makes good sense.

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by wwilson3

Solid wall l from walking surface to 34-36 above safety glass 16 cfr 1201 class11

Originally Posted by lkage

I don't know what you mean by this group of words, letters and numbers.

Originally Posted by wwilson3

From code check page 54

It is helpful only if we can understand what you are saying. Often, others don't have the reference book you are using.

Can you clear it up? Thanks.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by relliott

If the bottom of the glazing is less than 18' and the top of the glaziing is min 36" from the floor it must be tempered(safety glass) inter changeable word by the way.

In lew of that, there must be a 1-1/2 in guardrail that does not touch surface of the glass when under load at the 36" point.

By what standard? Do you have a reference?

[relliott]

Originally Posted by jpope

By what standard? Do you have a reference?

Going by this today.
safetyglass.pdf

see bottom of page 22

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by bhamilton

Once you see a child get hurt you'll change your tune.

I have seen it, in fact, I was a child injured by a plate glass window. My sister required more than 200 stitches, while I was fortunate enough to have only required 15.

Again, the windows pictured do not represent a safety hazard based on what can be seen in the picture.

[Bobby Hamilton]

Originally Posted by jpope

Again, the windows pictured do not represent a safety hazard based on what can be seen in the picture.

Just curious what you would consider a safety hazard seeing that the glass pretty much touches the floor. A vaccuum cleaner could bust that.

[Bobby Hamilton]

Found This

[Tim Spargo]

Am I missing something?

18 from floor, 24 from door, grab points in wet locations etc.....
At floor level, if this was standard plate glass, I would recommend it be at minimum impact glazed (some areas don't allow this any longer) or preferably tempered and specifically.. if those are individual panes they would be treated/replaced up to the 18" point and/or the sash treated/replaced in it's entirety if it is an Insulated Glass Unit.

If I were wrong... which I doubt, I would rather have someone sue me for being overly cautious than the latter...

This is pretty minimal stuff, but it seems there is still discussion on why this doesn't need to be impact glazed at minimum or tempered...

I would certainly call it out if it wasn't. Which I can't tell.

Tim

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

I can see this turning into another GFCI thread

Originally Posted by bhamilton

Just curious what you would consider a safety hazard seeing that the glass pretty much touches the floor. A vacuum cleaner could bust that.

In these types of situations, rather than making up my own standards, I defer to model codes, which are nationally recognized standards.

We can recommend upgrades all day long, but where do we draw the line? These windows/panes are no more deserving of safety/tempered glass than any other standard window in a home. If you recommend replacements here, you may as well suggest the same for any window in the home that is within arms-reach.

Codes make no reference to vacuume cleaners

[relliott]

Originally Posted by jpope

I can see this turning into another GFCI thread



In these types of situations, rather than making up my own standards, I defer to model codes, which are nationally recognized standards.

We can recommend upgrades all day long, but where do we draw the line? These windows/panes are no more deserving of safety/tempered glass than any other standard window in a home. If you recommend replacements here, you may as well suggest the same for any window in the home that is within arms-reach.

Codes make no reference to vacuume cleaners

I think you skipped post 34 Jeff.

[Tim Spargo]

Codes do make reference to the fact that the Window pictured does come within 18" of the floor.. no? I've run across this before, subsection 308.4 IRC... can find others too

I had mentioned that I was curious if there was a reason not to make mention, although I would.

Input why it's not necessary if it's not already tempered???

The GFCI thing is different.. a recommendation is different, but I do get your point and will agree to some extent.

Tim

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

No, I saw it. There's nothing in that attachment that would require this to be safety glass (by my interpretation) based on the information provided in the original post.

The exposed areas of those panes are less than 9 sq ft., they are not near a door as far as I can tell, there is no exterior walking surface as far as I can tell.

What am I missing?

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by tspargo

Codes do make reference to the fact that the Window pictured does come within 18" of the floor.. no?

Unless this is classified as a "hazardous location," all of the following must be met for safety glass to be required;

Exposed area must be greater than 9 sq. ft.
Bottom edge must be less than 18" above the ground/surface
Top edge must be more than 36" above the ground/surface
The window must be within 36" (horizontal) from the walking surface

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jpope

Unless this is classified as a "hazardous location," all of the following must be met for safety glass to be required;

Exposed area must be greater than 9 sq. ft.
Bottom edge must be less than 18" above the ground/surface
Top edge must be more than 36" above the ground/surface
The window must be within 36" (horizontal) from the walking surface

I smell a Home Inspector english comprehension class in the near future.

I would put GFCI outlets near that window myself.

[Tim Spargo]

LOL Brian

How are you?