4 leads?

[nbhi]

This is feeding a 220 outlet for a window A/C unit. The wires are too small for the breaker, 12awg, twisted. This does not appear or is actual incorrect? Thanks

[James E. Braun, CMI]

It not right but it should work alright, I would not call it out because the codes in my area are a joke. Your mileage my vary.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

If you don't call this out, you shouldn't be a home inspector.

[brian winkle]

Originally Posted by nbhi

This is feeding a 220 outlet for a window A/C unit. The wires are too small for the breaker, 12awg, twisted. This does not appear or is actual incorrect? Thanks

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It's not right. Either they paralleled 2 cables to the unit, or they are supplying two loads or receps off the one breaker. In any case, it is in violation.

[nbhi]

I am calling it out. I know about the wrong size wire for the breaker, 10awg should be used. The single strands how would you expalin?

[Mark Thorman]

Did you turn the breaker off or was it off when you arrived?

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[nbhi]

Breaker was off when we arrived.

[brian winkle]

Originally Posted by nbhi

I am calling it out. I know about the wrong size wire for the breaker, 10awg should be used. The single strands how would you expalin?

What do you mean the single strands??? It's two wires under a screw, plain and simple.

[Mark Thorman]

Originally Posted by nbhi

The single strands how would you expalin?

I would write it up as a double lug.

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[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by nbhi

This is feeding a 220 outlet for a window A/C unit. The wires are too small for the breaker, 12awg, twisted. This does not appear or is actual incorrect? Thanks

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And what else is it feeding? You have 2 circuits. A 4 wire 220 AC rec. will have 2 hot, 1 neutral, 1 ground. Not 4 hot.

[GARY R. EVANS]

Besides being double lugged the NEC 310.4 says that conductors smaller than 1/0 shall not be paralleled.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by jpope

If you don't call this out, you shouldn't be a home inspector.

The reason why I would not call it out is because the code official in my area would say that it is okay because the wires are twisted together at the terminal thus not making it two separate wires under one lug. I have been done this road before with my heating and cooling company. Come to Jefferson City and you will see things are different.
You need to get to know your local officials, not fight against them. That is why we are reading so many problems with inspectors and code officials. Some inspectors are overstepping their bounds. Inspectors need to use their head when calling something out. If it is not going to hurt the the client in anyway, why call it out?
You passing judgment on an inspectors ability, when you do not understand what is going on is getting really old, Jeff. I have seen you belittle another inspector on this board after his first post, a couple years back. You told this new inspector that he should not be an inspector because he did not spell a few words right. You need to think before you post.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by jbraun

You passing judgment on an inspectors ability, when you do not understand what is going on is getting really old, Jeff.

I stand by my comment. It's not our job to coddle an "AHJ" who feels they can make up their own standards. If the AHJ disagrees with your opinion, that's his option. But to say it's ok, just because you can't "change things" is absurd.

If you don't like my posts, you have the option of ignoring them, but when you suggest that it may be ok to overlook this type of installation, I will certainly post my opinion.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

You need to read my first post again.
I am not for knocking heads against local authorities. The inspector will always lose. We should not call out code. That is why our SOP is written that way. It is reckless to tell inspectors to do so.
And saying somebody should not be a home inspector because he does follow the SOP or because a newbie has some misspelling in his first post is wrong.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

I'm sorry if you were offended when I was critical of a post made by another inspector.

Originally Posted by jbraun

I am not for knocking heads against local authorities.

Nor am I, but that has nothing to do with making the right call.

Regardless of codes, improper conditions/installations should always be pointed out to the client. Do you not agree? Otherwise, what is the point of having a home inspection?

"Improper conditions" usually have the support of a building code or manufacturers requirements.