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Should you call out the lack of AFCI on a home that is 50+ years?
The Texas SOP does not require it- would like some opinions. |
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No.
You can mention that they are now used in new homes and will soon become the standard for all outlets and maybe explain why. If someone is to bring their home up to current code (which rarely happens) then they would have to have them installed. |
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hectorsanchez is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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____________________________________________ "An Education, not just an Inspection" Larry Kage Lake Ann (Traverse City), Michigan 49650 231 929 3525 Professional Inspector and Infrared Thermographer serving the Traverse City, Michigan area and beyond. ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED BUILDING SCIENCES THERMOGRAPHER ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED LEVEL 1 THERMOGRAPHER
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jbreazeale is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
No defect, but I always use an advisory statement to the effect that modern standards require them, and why, and just to keep from p***ing the sellers and agents off, I tell clients that the statement is included FYI only, SHOULD they decide they would like to modernize their electrical system.
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whandley is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
I always include the following CPSC internet link for additional information regarding improved electrical safety in older homes:
http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PUBS/afci.html |
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It's not actually a defect, but is a safety enhancement that can help to save lives and should be mentioned and suggested for added safety in older homes. Testing has proved they can aid in prevention of fires due to arc faults ( both Parallel and Series in newer models )
Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE NECŪ Consultant/Columnist www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner - Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine - 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises " visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !" |
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OK, maybe a stupid question here but I am trying to learn something just the same. Where is the AFCI located? In the panel? And can there be GFCI's in line with and AFCI???
Thanks, Dave |
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AFCI's are in the panel. GFCI's should work on that circuit also.
AFCI's will not always work in older homes due to shared neutrals. They will trip when turned on and fixing the wiring can be very time consuming. B.A. King Home Inspections, LLC www.BAKingHomeInspections.com Serving Charlotte NC area and Rock Hill SC areas. CMI Certified Master Inspector and Independent 704 301-3207 |
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Thanks Bruce for the quick reply.
Dave |
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Ahh...but they make a AFCI that does work with a Shared Neutral....offered by Cutler Hammer.....and they also make a version that works in older panels as well....they are UL Classified and approved for other locations other than just Cutler Hammer panels.
Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE NECŪ Consultant/Columnist www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner - Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine - 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises " visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !" |
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Marc D. Shunk is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Absolutely mention lack of AFCI's.
Baby needs a new pair of shoes. |
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In Illinois, we are required to call them out as "significantly deficient". They meet the state HI's law definition of "unsafe".
"Section 1410.200 Standards of Practice 15) Unsafe: A condition in a system or component that is a significant risk of personal injury or property damage during normal, day-to-day use. The risk may be due to damage, deterioration, improper installation or a change in accepted residential construction standards."10) Significantly Deficient: Unsafe or not functioning I use this this verbiage: "Current safety standards require AFCI (Arc Fault Circuit Interrupt) protected circuit breakers be used for all branch wiring that services bedroom areas" Hope this helps; Will Decker, CMI ILL License # 450.0002240 Board Certified Master Inspector Decker Home Services, LLC Chicago and Northern Suburban Home Inspections Office: (847) 676-8393 Cell: (847) 609-2345 Home: (847) 673-2702 wjd@DeckerHomeServices.com www.DeckerHomeServices.com Learn, Educate, Serve and have fun doing it! |
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Dang straight........love the AFCI service calls and the profits they bring.
Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE NECŪ Consultant/Columnist www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector - ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner - Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine - 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises " visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !" |
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