InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Message Board > Specific Inspection Topics > Electrical

Notices

Electrical Contains discussions about electrical systems. This includes outlets, panels, wiring, et cetera.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 6/6/09, 3:46 PM
Shawn Rowe's Avatar
Shawn Rowe Shawn Rowe is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Posts: 260
Default AFCI protected exterior GFCI

A first for me today, the exterior outlets (all GFCI receptacles) were protected with an AFCI breaker at the panel.

Is there anything in the NEC that prohibits this??

-
-
-



**************************************
Shawn Rowe, CMI
HomeFirst Inspection Services, LLC
- InfraRed Specialist (Level 1 & Building Science certified)
- Code Certified Residential Building Inspector
- Certified Master Inspector
-- Serving NE Florida, St. Johns, Duval, Flagler, Putnam counties --
Reply With Quote
Find an InterNACHI certified Rhode Island Home Inspector (and anywhere else in North America)
  #2  
Old 6/6/09, 4:10 PM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
Posts: 7,539
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Nope....nothing wrong with it at all. IN fact, both technologies work just fine together as they both are looking for two different distinct issues.



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE
NECŪ Consultant/Columnist
www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru

- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector
- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner
- Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine
- 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises
" visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !"

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 6/6/09, 5:43 PM
Shawn Rowe's Avatar
Shawn Rowe Shawn Rowe is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Posts: 260
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Just ask and you shall receive! Thank you Paul for the quick answer!!!



**************************************
Shawn Rowe, CMI
HomeFirst Inspection Services, LLC
- InfraRed Specialist (Level 1 & Building Science certified)
- Code Certified Residential Building Inspector
- Certified Master Inspector
-- Serving NE Florida, St. Johns, Duval, Flagler, Putnam counties --
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 6/7/09, 8:32 AM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
Posts: 7,539
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

lol...well only because you live where I want to retire.....



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE
NECŪ Consultant/Columnist
www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru

- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector
- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner
- Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine
- 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises
" visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !"

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 6/7/09, 2:39 PM
Patrick Bolliger's Avatar
Patrick Bolliger Patrick Bolliger is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 829
Send a message via Skype™ to pbolliger
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Thanks again Paul for all your help!
I appreciate your assistance on questions I ask you.

Keeps me less stupid-er
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 6/7/09, 2:55 PM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
Posts: 7,539
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

any question is a good question and one that needs answers. I myself ask myself questions all the time and many times I can't answer them right away.......now roll THAT around in your head for awhile and welcome to my world....lol

I will still be learning this thing called "electricity" my whole life....it is the life of a Codeist ! ( ok.....save the remarks on the codeists reference



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE
NECŪ Consultant/Columnist
www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru

- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector
- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner
- Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine
- 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises
" visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !"

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 6/7/09, 4:48 PM
Tim C. Howell Tim C. Howell is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New Liberty, IA
Posts: 40
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Speaking AFCI, the regular outlet tester will not test these outlets? Is that correct?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 6/7/09, 5:43 PM
Larry D. Kage Larry D. Kage is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lake Ann (Traverse City), MI
Posts: 5,728
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Quote:
Originally Posted by thowell View Post
Speaking AFCI, the regular outlet tester will not test these outlets? Is that correct?


The test button, that is an integral part of the AFCI device itself, is what the manufacturers recommend using.

http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarch...s~20050728.php



____________________________________________
"An Education, not just an Inspection"

Larry Kage
Lake Ann (Traverse City), Michigan 49650
231 929 3525


Professional Inspector and Infrared Thermographer serving the Traverse City, Michigan area and beyond.


ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED BUILDING SCIENCES THERMOGRAPHER

ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED LEVEL 1 THERMOGRAPHER
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 6/7/09, 9:41 PM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
Posts: 7,539
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

Quote:
Originally Posted by thowell View Post
Speaking AFCI, the regular outlet tester will not test these outlets? Is that correct?
In the end......use the test button on the breaker as none of the aftermarket testers are truly the compliant way to test an AFCI circuit. Now if you want to use them as additional support, so be it but easiest thing to do is trust the devices test feature.



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE
NECŪ Consultant/Columnist
www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru

- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector
- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner
- Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine
- 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises
" visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !"

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 6/7/09, 9:43 PM
Tim C. Howell Tim C. Howell is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New Liberty, IA
Posts: 40
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

so, turn off the AFCI breaker, then check the outlets for power to verify they are in fact AFCI?
I know, a lot of questions
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 6/7/09, 9:46 PM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Harrisonburg, VA
Posts: 7,539
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy
Default Re: AFCI protected exterior GFCI

I usually woulds say test all the receptacles first in your normal walk around. Then as a specific test I would trip the AFCI's and then revisit the areas needing to be AFCI protected and look for items the breaker did not shut down that needs to be shut down. I would work this procedure into your methods as this is how I train my municipal guys as well.



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CEI,CEPE
NECŪ Consultant/Columnist
www.twitter.com/ElectricalGuru

- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Inspector
- ICC & IAEI Certified Electrical Plans Examiner
- Look for my article in the Nov/Dec 2009 IAEI Magazine
- 2007 "Top Gun" Winner - Mike Holt Enterprises
" visit www.TheElectricalGuru.com Today !"

Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How do you verify smoke alarms are AFCI protected? jfunderburk Electrical 6 1/24/08 11:48 PM
AFCI's Explained by Mike Holt & Eaton Engineer pabernathy Electrical 19 2/15/07 1:05 PM
AFCI Questions and Answers - Mike Holt pabernathy Electrical 0 7/7/06 1:24 PM
Smokes on AFI circuits lprinzi Electrical 9 7/6/06 10:12 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 7:49 PM.


Copyright © International Association of Certified Home Inspectors, Inc. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147

Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Popular

Membership

Inspection Standards

Education

Chapters & Members

Articles & Links

Other Organizations

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts