InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Inspection Forum > Specific Inspection Topics > Electrical Inspections

Notices

Electrical Inspections Contains discussions about electrical systems. This includes receptacles, panels, wiring, etc.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 6/1/06, 2:32 PM
Russel Ray's Avatar
Russel Ray Russel Ray is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: La Mesa, CA
Posts: 16,559
Default Aluminum wiring

I've never seen single-strand aluminum wiring in circuits other than 15- and 20-Amp circuits. One of yesterday's inspections had the proper wire size in 40-amp and 50-amp circuits, but it was single-strand aluminum. Am I correct in my understanding that the larger aluminum wires do not have the same problems associated with them that the smaller wires do?



NACHI 2005 U.S. Member of the Year
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 6/1/06, 2:42 PM
gbeaumont's Avatar
gbeaumont gbeaumont is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Clearwater, FL
Posts: 6,261
Send a message via AIM to gbeaumont Send a message via MSN to gbeaumont Send a message via Yahoo to gbeaumont
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Quote:
Originally Posted by rray
I've never seen single-strand aluminum wiring in circuits other than 15- and 20-Amp circuits. One of yesterday's inspections had the proper wire size in 40-amp and 50-amp circuits, but it was single-strand aluminum. Am I correct in my understanding that the larger aluminum wires do not have the same problems associated with them that the smaller wires do?
Hi Russel, all single strand Aluminum should be concidered suspect, I would recommend that the circuits be checked by an electrician and that at least the connections are correctly torqued.

BTW what age was the home? as I have never seen Aluminum single strand in those sizes.

Regards

Gerry



"To realize our true destiny, we must be guided not by a myth from our past, but by a vision of our future."
(Mark B Adams)

Commercial property Inspection Tampa, Orlando, Sarasota, Jacksonville, Ft Launderdale, Miami, Florida.
NACHI cell 484-429-5466
NACHI02121106

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 6/1/06, 2:52 PM
Russel Ray's Avatar
Russel Ray Russel Ray is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: La Mesa, CA
Posts: 16,559
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Thanks, Gerry.

Home was built in 1978 with significant modifications in 1987.

Electric panel was I-T-E, vintage 1978.



NACHI 2005 U.S. Member of the Year
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 6/1/06, 5:58 PM
Jeffrey R. Pope's Avatar
Jeffrey R. Pope Jeffrey R. Pope is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 7,760
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

I concur with Gerry. Only multi-strand AL should be considered "safe" for use as current carrying conductors.

When sized properly and used as the GEC and/or an EGC, solid AL conductors do not present the same problems.



IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ®
Jeff Pope
JPI Home Inspection Service
Santa Clarita CA
(661) 212-0738
Santa Clarita Home Inspection
http://www.MyInspector.net


Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 6/2/06, 10:27 AM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Spotsylvania, VA
Posts: 8,047
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy Send a message via Skype™ to pabernathy
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

RRAY,

I have seen single strand AL up to a #8 AWG before...but it is not something you will find everyday...thats for sure.



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CPI,CME
National Electrical Code Expert
Electrical & Fire Protection Systems Code Supervisor- Alexandria,VA
Weekly Live Radio Show :http://en.1000mikes.com/show/the_electrical_guru
Weekly Chat on Wednesdays -7:30 PM E.S.T
* Get my 13 hour commentary audio CD for the book "How to Perform Electrical Inspections"

2007 InterNACHI Member of the Year
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 6/12/06, 5:38 PM
Greg Fretwell Greg Fretwell is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Estero Florida
Posts: 1,798
Please Note: Greg Fretwell is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

I have never seen 6 or 4 al solid that you would need for 40 and 50a circuits. OTOH The real issue with al is the termination style not the wire.
Actually I haven't seen 8 solid al either but even then it could only be used as a single conductor, not in a cable or raceway.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 6/14/06, 7:47 PM
Brian E. Kelly's Avatar
Brian E. Kelly Brian E. Kelly is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 15,862
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Drywer circuit today.

Last edited by bkelly2; 6/12/09 at 7:46 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 6/14/06, 8:22 PM
Dale Duffy's Avatar
Dale Duffy Dale Duffy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 8,067
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Quote:
Originally Posted by bkelly2
Drywer circuit today.
Another builder saving a couple bucks........... ...as usual.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 6/14/06, 8:49 PM
cbuell's Avatar
cbuell cbuell is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Shorline, WA
Posts: 380
Please Note: cbuell is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Here is some aluminum wiring I found today.
Attached Thumbnails
aluminum-wiring-doonan-181.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 6/14/06, 11:54 PM
jclark1's Avatar
jclark1 jclark1 is offline
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vashon, Wa
Posts: 644
Please Note: jclark1 is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

I love finding stuff like that! Easy to write up and you feel like you might have saved someone from an electrical fire. If they fix it,that is.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 6/15/06, 9:15 PM
Paul W. Abernathy's Avatar
Paul W. Abernathy Paul W. Abernathy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Spotsylvania, VA
Posts: 8,047
Send a message via AIM to pabernathy Send a message via MSN to pabernathy Send a message via Skype™ to pabernathy
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

Charles,

Still amazes me when I see things like that.......just a lack of concern on the person that did it......they are probably still saying...well it ain't burnt down yet.....Git er Done.....

Makes me wanna SLAP the home owner....

James- You are right........IF they fix it......could not agree more.



Paul W. Abernathy,CMI,CPI,CME
National Electrical Code Expert
Electrical & Fire Protection Systems Code Supervisor- Alexandria,VA
Weekly Live Radio Show :http://en.1000mikes.com/show/the_electrical_guru
Weekly Chat on Wednesdays -7:30 PM E.S.T
* Get my 13 hour commentary audio CD for the book "How to Perform Electrical Inspections"

2007 InterNACHI Member of the Year
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 6/17/06, 12:41 PM
Joseph Burkeson, CMI's Avatar
Joseph Burkeson, CMI Joseph Burkeson, CMI is online now
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Greater Tampa Bay
Posts: 16,105
Default Re: Aluminum wiring

I have never seen single-strand solid aluminum larger then #10, and I must have installed miles of aluminum wire back in the 70's. Maybe it was a New Jersey thing, but all aluminum conductors larger then #10 were to my recollection multi-stranded SEU/SER.



"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." -Confucius


Certified Master Inspector (2007)
Member, International Assoc of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI)
Member, International Code Council (ICC) - Certified Residential Combination Inspector

Square-One Inspection "Assurance begins here"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aluminum Wiring jhagarty Electrical Inspections 23 10/5/07 3:56 AM
Aluminum Wiring acox Electrical Inspections 4 8/27/07 12:24 AM
Nice Report on AL Wire Terminations - Enjoy pabernathy Electrical Inspections 0 7/2/07 1:35 PM
Reporting Aluminum Wiring Richard Seay Electrical Inspections 3 2/28/07 5:27 PM
Aluminum Wiring homeowner001 Electrical Inspections 36 7/7/06 2:08 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 4:13 AM.


Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Inspection News

InterNACHI Membership

Inspection Standards

Inspection Education

InterNACHI Inspectors

Inspection Links

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts