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Old 12/8/10, 8:25 PM
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Look at the gfci breaker
I know its not right, but what did they do????
Shouldn't the hot wire be installed under a different screw or is this normal.
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Old 12/8/10, 8:28 PM
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Old 12/8/10, 8:42 PM
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Thanks.
I am used to seeing them without the neutral being stuffed in with the pigtail. Older panel and breaker.




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Old 12/8/10, 9:07 PM
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Why would they show a splice on the load neutral? Typically they connect directly to the CB making this graphic somewhat confusing.
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Old 12/8/10, 9:09 PM
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Sean, just a tip.... Change the name of the picture, so that no one could find the location from the filename.
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Old 12/8/10, 9:51 PM
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Why would they show a splice on the load neutral? Typically they connect directly to the CB making this graphic somewhat confusing.
This is the exact reason for my confusion! Like I said it was an older breaker 16 years exactly. I personaly have never seen an installation this way.




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Old 12/8/10, 9:52 PM
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Sean, just a tip.... Change the name of the picture, so that no one could find the location from the filename.
Yeah, I wanted an answer and did not want to waste time while doing the report.




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Old 12/8/10, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: AM I missing somthing here?

While the image is not what normally happens...it is also technically correct regardless. Nothing in the NEC would prohibit a contractor from splicing a "MISTAKE" they might have made in cutting off the neutral [grounded conductor] too short and adding that pigtail. While not the norm...still compliant never the less.

In regards to the graphic larry posted......I never actually looked at the original posters picture...lol...sorry



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Old 12/8/10, 10:50 PM
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ok.....now I look at this image and something strikes me as odd. The neutral [grounded conductor] should not be jamed in with the GFCI grounded jumper. I believe their should be another lug on that breaker that is not being used. If this is the case the GFCI will not function as intended when the intent is needed......say that 5 times in a row why don't ya !

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Old 12/8/10, 11:06 PM
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ok.....now I look at this image and something strikes me as odd. The neutral [grounded conductor] should not be jamed in with the GFCI grounded jumper. I believe their should be another lug on that breaker that is not being used. If this is the case the GFCI will not function as intended when the intent is needed......say that 5 times in a row why don't ya !

But alas.....my eyes may be screwing with me
Hi Paul , the insulated conductors loo a little over striped. IMO



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Old 12/8/10, 11:12 PM
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lol...yeah I was holding my breath on that one as I doubt it meets the technical concept of "encircle"...lol...but hey they atleast tried.



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Old 12/8/10, 11:14 PM
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lol....I just read your statement again...lol.....I thought you meant the stripes of BLACK marker on the grounded conductors in order to ATTEMPT to re-identify them...lol.....man I gotta read the posts better as I am multi-tasking tonight.



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Old 12/8/10, 11:24 PM
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I am multi-tasking tonight.
Paul...... put down the burger and slowly back away.. or are you getting in shape to fit in your Santa outfit?




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Old 12/9/10, 4:42 AM
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This is the exact reason for my confusion! Like I said it was an older breaker 16 years exactly. I personaly have never seen an installation this way.
Ahhh, so the CB is so old that it came with two factory installed pigtails.
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Old 12/9/10, 7:17 AM
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Ahhh, so the CB is so old that it came with two factory installed pigtails.
Is this the correct answer???
Did they actually do it this way, because I thought it was stuffed in the hole, which is why it looked strange.

Before my time I guess.




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