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I inspected a fourplex today in Brooklyn. The main disconnect was a switch with two knife blade 150-amp cartridge fuses that were fed with 1/0 copper cable (175-amps). The panel label stated that it was rated for 200-amps. Since the fuses were the lowest rated component, shouldn't the overall rating of the panel be 150-amps?
"A man cannot be truly grateful and remain unhappy"
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Speedy Petey is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
It should but it doesn't have to be.
A panel is limited to 42 breaker poles. Any panel. The 150 is your main disconnect. It does not matter how many breakers this 150 amps serves, even if these breakers are in a 200 amp rated panel. What matters is the calculated load. |
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As a HI, with Bill's supplied info, I would call it 150 amps.
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However, the question should have been - "what is the service capacity?" Based on the information provided by Bill, the service capacity is 150 amps. IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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I agree guys...DO NOT get involved in anything to do with Calculations......Just refer to it as the Service Capacity and in this case the weakest link applies...
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Pierre Belarge is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Take a closer look at this picture. There are other issues I would be concerned with than the size of the service......
Hint: GEC line/load side of the fused blades. |
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brian winkle is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Pierre, I have seen a number of these discos fed backwards like this. Sometimes I think it is done for convienence, ie shorter conductor runs. Other than a 110-3 violation, do you see any problems that could arise from this installation? I suppose someone servicing the equipment could be injured if they took the wording alone for fact, but if they did then I wouldn't consider them qualified in the first place. Do you suppose if it weren't marked line and load it would still be wrong?
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Thank you all for your excellent replies.
Jeff- you always catch me on terminology - That is one of my weak points and I appreciate your input. Pierre- The GEC is too small. There were numerous other issues with the system. "A man cannot be truly grateful and remain unhappy"
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Greg Fretwell is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
The problem is the fuse itself is hot with the disconnect off. That makes it dangerous to change. There would be a dead front cover over the line terminals on a new one.
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Greg-
The disconnect is fed from the top - before the meters. I should have mentioned that earlier but I was more concerned with the service capacity. The system in general was a mess. "A man cannot be truly grateful and remain unhappy"
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Pierre Belarge is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
The GEC is marked with white tape. White is not permitted as a color for the GEC. Also the GEC is required to be bonded to the enclosure where it enters or exits. This is usually performed by skinning the insulation at the fitting.
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jtedesco1 is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
I see a white MBJ wire, and lug where the jumpers are installed, and the short fuses. Is the switch rated at 200 amperes?
Free Electricity is available too, how were you able to get into the switch? Last edited by jtedesco1; 11/24/06 at 1:24 PM.. |
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The cover for the swich box opened with the removal of two screws. The service points were readily accessible as well.
"A man cannot be truly grateful and remain unhappy"
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