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Old 1/26/10, 7:13 PM
Bobby G. Michael Bobby G. Michael is offline
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Default Re: Bedroom w/o grounded outlets

I agree with Robert



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Old 1/26/10, 11:40 PM
Larry F. Rollins Larry F. Rollins is offline
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Default Re: Bedroom w/o grounded outlets

Well, let me saythis about that. It is obvious you have not ever owned apartments(the original post said this was an apartment situation). I own 8 units. Over the years I have noted in bedrooms the following: Washing Machines w/hoses that run into the toilet and a garden hose thru the window, portable dishwashers with the same setup, large 3-prong electric exercise equipment, heaters of all sorts, 4 foot construction fans, surge protectors(they require a ground to operate correctly), microwave ovens...I could go on.
Besides, in todays world with high tech (and expensive) electronics, many have internal circuitry for surge protection. If you plug these into a two prong outlet using any of a variety of adapters... they will not operate correctly and are exposed to total meltdown.
You can make all kinds of flimsy cases for ungrounded systems, but the fact remains they are dangerous to use both phsically and financially. The cost to change to GFCI outlets is minimal and although this retrograde will not stop you from getting a shock it will stop you from getting a death sentence shock.
You can argue the opposite all you want and when your done I'll simply ask you to do some laundry for me in a machine with no ground and one internal fault(a hot wire touchine the now ungrounded case). Good luck and no I won't attend your funeral.
2 wire systems should have been outlawed years ago. Everyone in the industry knows this. It is a situation similar to back wired outlets which have burned down many many houses across the country. The "powers to be" put there collective heads together and used all the intelligence they could muster.... then, instead of outlawing them simply required that the holes be made too small for #12 wire. I can't tell you how many I have found with the holes drilled out and 12 wire placed in them. I even met one electrician who bragged to me that he had made a special hand tool to open the holes to accept 12 wire.
Oh well, so much for my time on the soap box.
A final question for you...Would you allow an ungrounded system in your childs bedroom? If your answer is "yes", then please don't ask me any more questions, I won't answer.


quote=hmiller;613114]Larry I really have to ask. If you took an inventory of all the types of electrical devices that you plug into a bedroom outlet, how often do you actually have something that even has a ground prong?

Alarm clock radios, lamps, fans, tvs, dvd players, lap top computers, phone chargers, and most of the other things the average household uses in a bedroom does not even utilize the ground. (two prong devices)Addittionally devices that are double insulated are designed to protect the user from being shocked on its exterior.

The absence of a grounded outlet does not make the electrical unsafe.[/quote]
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