Calling Paul or any GRU

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

And I think you wanted to say...."Calling Paul....The Electrical EMU !

I can see the resemblance

[Paul W. Abernathy]

MAN........that is some SEXY EMU ....yes I would agree it kinda looks like me...

[Greg Fretwell]

This matches the ground and neutral on one lug. The people who support the practice say it groups each circuit in a way that makes it easier to identify each conductor. You don't have the same hazard that you have when there are two neutrals under one lug ... it is still a violation now.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

MAN........that is some SEXY EMU ....yes I would agree it kinda looks like me...

You part your hair differently, Paul

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by wdecker

You part your hair differently, Paul

lol..What Hair........I have lost most of mine in the last few months.

[jlybolt]

In my opinion the panel manufacturer does not give you enough lugs in some circumstances (larger homes with many circuits in one panel) to indivisually place the grounded conductor (neutral) under one lug. For the most part I also note it in my report and mention for improved electrical safety you may want to repair.

[Greg Fretwell]

You just need to buy the add in kits to add extra lugs

[Gregory A. Liebig]

Originally Posted by mlarson

408.21 Grounded Conductor Terminations. Each grounded conductor shall terminate within the panelboard in an individual terminal that is not also used for another conductor.
his new section should ensure that grounded (neutral) conductors terminate within the panelboard to an individual terminal. This has been a UL requirement (UL Std. 67 – Panelboard Standard) for some time, and the addition to the NEC is intended to bring this information to the installers. Technically, this is covered by 110.3(B), which requires all equipment to be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions and markings, but nobody knew it existed. UL Std. 67 (Panelboard Standard) permits up to three 10 AWG equipment grounding conductors to terminate on a single terminal, if the terminal is marked for this purpose. Figure 408-3

Did something change with the NEC 2005? This section is no longer there. Maybe it moved.... Currently, WI still uses the NEC 2005 excluding the AFCI section.

[Jeffrey R. Wicklander]

In the 2005 NEC, it was moved to 408.41.

Jeff

[Gregory A. Liebig]

Great! Thank you! I found it.

[Marc Benz]

Originally Posted by gliebig

Did something change with the NEC 2005? This section is no longer there. Maybe it moved.... Currently, WI still uses the NEC 2005 excluding the AFCI section.

Unforeteally we allready took in 2008 NEC code in effect and it should be allready in effect.{ yeah with few addments and deletesments }

Look up the Comm 16 they change a bit in there.

{ The Comm 16 is State of Wisconsin electrical code }

The AFCI requirement will be in use after 2010 { I will have to find the details when they will be in effect }

Merci,Marc

[mmurphy4]

Originally Posted by wsiegel

Grounds can be double tapped in certain panels, but grounds and neurtals should never be tapped together.

I see this all the time. The ground and neutral from the same circuit under the same lug. I suppose the installers think it makes the panel look organized.