Can you see it?

[bkelly1]

The defect is..

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Ben,

Maybe I am a bit undersigted tonight but what are the red wires doing on the grounded terminal buss.....and how about that grounded terminal wire not being identified with white marking like TAPE if a field installation...

And I can't tell in the picture if the bar is actually bonded to the panel....

those would be for starters what I see......but it is a bit blurry....

[bkelly1]

True, and true, but not what I am looking for.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by bkelly1

The defect is..

Ben, good one here are some questions not answers

• Is the enlosure bonded?
• Are the later Bryant GFCI's rated for the panel?
• There appear to be very few neutrals on the bus in relation to the apparent branch circuits?
• Are the breakers rated to the branch circuit wiring?

Did I miss a big one?

Regards

Gerry

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Oh sorry.....Article 200.7, 200.6(B) are the ones I am refering to in regards to the conductors on the Grounded and Grounding Buss.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

well Ben.......you have a better view of the image than us my friend...enlighten us old fellows....

[Paul W. Abernathy]

I do see a ITE breaker in a Bryant Panel......along with a Bryant Breaker as well......and another one almost looks like a CH breaker as well.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

I know one thing....their is one freakin Grounded Conductor that is about to toch that HOT buss...lol......

[bkelly1]

Look on the bus bars.. This is a three phase panel and the owner (who was an engineer) disconnected the connection on the "c" phase and places a piece joining the "b" and "c" phases so he could add another breaker. This takes away the u.l. rating and is an extreme hazard when someone welds and taps a piece on the buss.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Sorry...the image was too busy for me to see that via an image...lol.....but since I found other things.......defer it.....I will fly out and look at it...NOT...lol

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by bkelly1

Look on the bus bars.. This is a three phase panel and the owner (who was an engineer) disconnected the connection on the "c" phase and places a piece joining the "b" and "c" phases so he could add another breaker. This takes away the u.l. rating and is an extreme hazard when someone welds and taps a piece on the buss.

Great BEN....now you have given others who have a 3 phase panel that they concern a way to do it....thanks alot..thehehehe....

I wondered what the bar was in the middle..but heck seen so many panels I figured it was part of the equipment....would have been EASIER if you had shown the TOP of the panel as well fella.......you tricky devil

[bkelly1]

I thought the weld, and the bolt there would be a give a way. Put them glasses on.

[bkelly1]

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by bkelly1

I thought the weld, and the bolt there would be a give a way. Put them glasses on.

Man I do wear glasses......and maybe they have TOO much ARC BLAST on them...heck if I know...lol.......man if you take the nearly 5,000 panels I have looked at ( maybe more ) in my time.....that little fuzzy WELD did not stick out...lol....but the items I posted did...lol

Hey...I aint PERFECT fella...Far from it........oh...yeah..Fat and Blind also...

[brian winkle]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

I do see a ITE breaker in a Bryant Panel......along with a Bryant Breaker as well......and another one almost looks like a CH breaker as well.

Paul, I am sure that is an old ITE EQ loadcenter. The Bryant breakers are the misfits.
Everytime I see one of those old EQs I am impressed
at the quality and longevity.