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Old 12/4/08, 12:29 PM
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I've got a commercial inspection that I am doing next week. Did a site visit today, and have what is probably a basic question.

I know that sub panels should not have more than 6 breakers (throws) in general without having a "main" breaker in them. However there is/are main breakers, and I want to know if it's ok...
Main Service enters in and is labeled as 800AMP service with a single breaker to shut off power to the whole building.

Right next to this are 12 individual meters, each with an attached "panel" with a single 125A breaker.

Inside the building there are sub-panels throughout, that have various numbers of breakers in them, almost all have more than 6. None of these have a single shutoff.

My question is, since there is a single main outside, and each meter has its own shutoff, is there still a requirement that the sub panels have a shutoff too?
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My question is, since there is a single main outside, and each meter has its own shutoff, is there still a requirement that the sub panels have a shutoff too?

No..



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Old 12/4/08, 4:13 PM
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I know that sub panels should not have more than 6 breakers (throws) in general without having a "main" breaker in them.
This is incorrect. The "six-throw" rule applies to the service equipment.



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This is incorrect. The "six-throw" rule applies to the service equipment.
Or a feeder to a detached structure.
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Old 12/4/08, 4:26 PM
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The feeder requires a disconnect even if there are six or less breakers, does it not?



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No Jeff. I am referring to NEC 225.33
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Old 12/4/08, 5:06 PM
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Got it.



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This is incorrect. The "six-throw" rule applies to the service equipment.
Ok, Got it. Thanks guys.
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No..
I thought no covered it quite nicely.



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I thought no covered it quite nicely.
in a minimalist fashion it did



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I thought no covered it quite nicely.
It did! That that was exactly what I needed. The additional info and correction was also well appreciated.
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