conduit

[Jim Port]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Romex is allowed on the exterior, depending upon location and whether or not it's encased in conduit if sunlight becomes an issue.

In other words, Romex can be used under a deck as long it's properly secured. No sunlight.

Sorry David,

NM is not allowed outside whether it is in conduit or not. 334.10(A)(1) cleary states "For both exposed and concealed work in normally dry locations" and 334.12(10) TYpe NM shall not be used as follows d. states " Where exposed or subject to excessive moisture or dampness".

A wet location is defined in Article 100 as "Installations underground or in cocrete slabs or masonry in contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather"

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Jim Port

Sorry David,

NM is not allowed outside whether it is in conduit or not. 334.10(A)(1) cleary states "For both exposed and concealed work in normally dry locations" and 334.12(10) TYpe NM shall not be used as follows d. states " Where exposed or subject to excessive moisture or dampness".

A wet location is defined in Article 100 as "Installations underground or in cocrete slabs or masonry in contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed to weather"

I don't do code.

If I see a romex installed properly and protected on the exterior (which I do many times) under decks, sheds, utility closets, etc., I leave it be.

The only time I call it out is if there is an issue with trhe actual placement and is susceptible to mechanical damage or sunlight damage or improperly used for underground burial.

[Jim Port]

NM outside is not properly installed. The jacket is not sunlight resistant either.

If you don't "do code" how do you know what a proper installation would be?

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Jim Port

NM outside is not properly installed. The jacket is not sunlight resistant either.

If you don't "do code" how do you know what a proper installation would be?

Like I said, if it looks safe to me...It passes.

I'm done.

[Speedy Petey]

Originally Posted by dvalley

The only time I call it out is if there is an issue with trhe actual placement and is susceptible to mechanical damage or sunlight damage or improperly used for underground burial.

Just add excessive moisture and you are OK.

Originally Posted by Jim Port

If you don't "do code" how do you know what a proper installation would be?

I agree.


I personally think the whole "I don't do code" mentality meeds some re-thinking.
Without knowing the basic codes and procedures all you are doing is giving your opinion. Which in this case is flawed.
Unfortunately, folks pay a LOT of money, an put a LOT of stock in that "opinion".

[Jim Port]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

Without knowing the basic codes and procedures all you are doing is giving your opinion. Which in this case is flawed.
Unfortunately, folks pay a LOT of money, and put a LOT of stock in that "opinion".

Maybe all you need to do is to spend a night at Holiday Inn.

Without a knowledgeable reference as to acceptable practices how are you to properly judge during an inspection?

[Jim Port]

Originally Posted by dvalley

I don't do code.

If I see a romex installed properly and protected on the exterior (which I do many times) under decks, sheds, utility closets, etc., I leave it be.

The only time I call it out is if there is an issue with trhe actual placement and is susceptible to mechanical damage or sunlight damage or improperly used for underground burial.

How would you know if the actual placement was acceptable or that it was not rated for underground burial? These conditions ARE what is called out in the Code.

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Jim Port

How would you know if the actual placement was acceptable or that it was not rated for underground burial? These conditions ARE what is called out in the Code.

I'm not color blind and I can read the print on the sheathing....

[Mike Whitt]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Romex is allowed on the exterior, depending upon location and whether or not it's encased in conduit if sunlight becomes an issue. In other words, Romex can be used under a deck as long it's properly secured. No sunlight.

Again not trying to sound smart or belittling but you wouldn’t last long in NC if you didn’t call it out knowing that it is wrong.

With all the talk about law suits on this forum I would think that you would have a concern about something that you know is wrong and want to call it out.

NM cable is not allowed in a wet location and exposed to weather is a wet location.

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Mike Whitt

Again not trying to sound smart or belittling but you wouldn’t last long in NC if you didn’t call it out knowing that it is wrong.

With all the talk about law suits on this forum I would think that you would have a concern about something that you know is wrong and want to call it out.

NM cable is not allowed in a wet location and exposed to weather is a wet location.

Thank you kindly. I don't come here to argue code.

That's for the other guys who get bored with their lives.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Mike Whitt

Again not trying to sound smart or belittling but you wouldn’t last long in NC if you didn’t call it out knowing that it is wrong.

With all the talk about law suits on this forum I would think that you would have a concern about something that you know is wrong and want to call it out.

NM cable is not allowed in a wet location and exposed to weather is a wet location.

I inspected a commercial facility last month where they had run NM from the service box for an outdoor sign....buried under about three to six inches of dirt and mud...for a length of 50 feet to a parking lot light.

NM has some very interesting uses in creative hands.

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I inspected a commercial facility last month where they had run NM from the service box for an outdoor sign....buried under about three to six inches of dirt and mud...for a length of 50 feet to a parking lot light.

NM has some very interesting uses in creative hands.

Yup...

[David P. Valley]

[jtedesco1]

Romex cannot be used under the following conditions, or in the following locations:

Where exposed to corrosive fumes or vapors

Where embedded in masonry, concrete, adobe, fill, or plaster

In a shallow chase in masonry, concrete, or adobe and covered with plaster, adobe, or similar finish

In wet or damp locations


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[Jim Port]

Joe,

As long as it looks good it is Ok to run NM outside.

Having to know all that Code stuff really slows down an inspection.

I think I just found out how to save tons of time on my next rough-in.