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Old 11/9/08, 5:33 PM
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For most panels? This house is not a mansion, its about 3000 sq ft.

One pic is the exterior then it had 3 sub/service panels on the interior.
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Old 11/9/08, 5:37 PM
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that mess was for one house Mark ????



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Old 11/9/08, 8:01 PM
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Two questions:

- Is that cedar in that one pic? Meaning, is that panel installed in a cedar closet???

- Are those bars on the windows???
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Old 11/9/08, 8:09 PM
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Two questions:

- Is that cedar in that one pic? Meaning, is that panel installed in a cedar closet???

- Are those bars on the windows???

All houses in Tucson, in the Barrio, must have Bars installed, it's a Code of the West thing Speedy.



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Old 11/9/08, 8:26 PM
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All houses in Tucson, in the Barrio, must have Bars installed, it's a Code of the West thing Speedy.
there was a sad story here a number of years back about an older couple who died in a fire in their home because of those bars...they are getting less popular here now...



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Old 11/9/08, 8:28 PM
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there was a sad story here a number of years back about an older couple who died in a fire in their home because of those bars...they are getting less popular here now...
What?---bars or older couples?



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Old 11/9/08, 8:31 PM
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What?---bars or older couples?
I'm thinkin the bars Mike..



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Old 11/9/08, 9:02 PM
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You think there might have been an electric add-on to the add-on, to the add-on ? ?



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Old 11/9/08, 9:07 PM
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You think there might have been an electric add-on to the add-on, to the add-on ? ?
You think ????



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Old 11/10/08, 10:26 AM
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Yes I really hate the bars also and disclaim them.

Yes it is in a cedar closet.

Yes it is all one house.




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Old 11/10/08, 11:45 AM
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it had 3 sub/service panels on the interior.
You should know better than this Mark.



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Old 11/11/08, 10:23 AM
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Sorry Jeff, hows sub/distribution?




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Old 11/11/08, 12:29 PM
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"Sub panel" and "distribution panel" have essentially the same meaning, whereas a "service panel" is altogether different.



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Old 11/12/08, 9:56 AM
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Yes, thats why I meant to say, 3 interior sub/distribution panels inside. Thanks for keeping me straight on the verbage...




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Old 11/13/08, 7:54 AM
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there was a sad story here a number of years back about an older couple who died in a fire in their home because of those bars...they are getting less popular here now...
James,
Here is some information about "Bars over Windows" that you might find useful.
Please feel free to add it to your data base for future use
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{Mark be sure to provide this information in your report!}


2006 International Residential Code for One & Two Family Dwellings.
Part III, Building Planning & Construction.

Chapter 3, Building Planning.

SECTION R310
EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS
R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue required.
Basements and every sleeping room shall have at least one operable emergency and rescue opening. Such opening shall open directly into a public street, public alley, yard or court. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, emergency egress and rescue openings shall be required in each sleeping room, but shall not be required in adjoining areas of the basement. Where emergency escape and rescue openings are provided they shall have a sill height of not more than 44 inches (1118 mm) above the floor. Where a door opening having a threshold below the adjacent ground elevation serves as an emergency escape and rescue opening and is provided with a bulkhead enclosure, the bulkhead enclosure shall comply with Section R310.3. The net clear opening dimensions required by this section shall be obtained by the normal operation of the emergency escape and rescue opening from the inside. Emergency escape and rescue openings with a finished sill height below the adjacent ground elevation shall be provided with a window well in accordance with Section R310.2. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.
Exception:
Basements used only to house mechanical equipment and not exceeding total floor area of 200 square feet (18.58 m2).

R310.1.1 Minimum opening area.
All emergency escape and rescue openings shall have a minimum net clear opening of 5.7 square feet (0.530 m2).
Exception:
Grade floor openings shall have a minimum net clear opening of 5 square feet (0.465 m2) .

R310.1.2 Minimum opening height.
The minimum net clear opening height shall be 24 inches (610 mm).

R310.1.3 Minimum opening width.
The minimum net clear opening width shall be 20 inches (508 mm).

R310.1.4 Operational constraints.
Emergency escape and rescue openings shall be operational from the inside of the room without the use of keys, tools or special knowledge.

R310.2 Window wells.
The minimum horizontal area of the window well shall be 9 square feet (0.9 m2), with a minimum horizontal projection and width of 36 inches (914 mm). The area of the window well shall allow the emergency escape and rescue opening to be fully opened.
Exception: The ladder or steps required by Section R310.2.1 shall be permitted to encroach a maximum of 6 inches (152 mm) into the required dimensions of the window well.

R310.2.1 Ladder and steps.
Window wells with a vertical depth greater than 44 inches (1118 mm) shall be equipped with a permanently affixed ladder or steps usable with the window in the fully open position. Ladders or steps required by this section shall not be required to comply with Sections R311.5 and R311.6. Ladders or rungs shall have an inside width of at least 12 inches (305 mm), shall project at least 3 inches (76 mm) from the wall and shall be spaced not more than 18 inches (457 mm) on center vertically for the full height of the window well.

R310.3 Bulkhead enclosures.
Bulkhead enclosures shall provide direct access to the basement. The bulkhead enclosure with the door panels in the fully open position shall provide the minimum net clear opening required by Section R310.1.1. Bulkhead enclosures shall also comply with Section R311.5.8.2.

R310.4 Bars, grilles, covers and screens.
Bars, grilles, covers, screens or similar devices are permitted to be placed over emergency escape and rescue openings, bulkhead enclosures, or window wells that serve such openings, provided the minimum net clear opening size complies with Sections R310.1.1 to R310.1.3, and such devices shall be releasable or removable from the inside without the use of a key, tool, special knowledge or force greater than that which is required for normal operation of the escape and rescue opening.

R310.5 Emergency escape windows under decks and porches.
Emergency escape windows are allowed to be installed under decks and porches provided the location of the deck allows the emergency escape window to be fully opened and provides a path not less than 36 inches (914 mm) in height to a yard or court.



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