What do you look like!

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Mike Whitt

One more time I ask

Does this work in reverse also????

Mike,

Would you care to expand?

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

PS:
I have not laughed so hard in a long, long time!

Frank,

Be careful...your pacemaker.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by dvalley

Wow..oh my GOD.

Roy, you're not shy one bit...ayyy?

No I think fair play is the only way to be.
I will stand up for you even if I do not agree with your thoughts if I think you are not being treated properly.
...Cookie

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Take a deep breath ..... have some coffee... and take another deep breath!

PS:
I have not laughed so hard in a long, long time!

Thanks Frank you are just confirming that you have a closed mind .
You refuse to see how serious this is .
I stand behind every one of my statements .
...Cookie

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Whitt One more time I ask

Does this work in reverse also????

Originally Posted by dvalley

Mike,

Would you care to expand?

I think Mike feels the same as I do Frank
has A Bigoted Closed mind and does not want to listen to reasonable requests.


...Cookie

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by fcarrio
PS:
I have not laughed so hard in a long, long time!

Originally Posted by dvalley

Frank,

Be careful...your pacemaker.[ATTACH]17749[/ATTACH]

ROTFLMAO!

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Quote:
I think Mike feels the same as I do Frank
has A Bigoted Closed mind and does not want to listen to reasonable requests.
...Cookie

Cookie,
I have no dog in this "hunt" but seems that you sure do!

You should not be talking about "Bigoted & closed minds". It seems that yours is all made up!

PS:
I have work to do so .... have fun!

[Mike Whitt]

It seems to me that there are a few members (full membership) that have a tendency to be rude, vulgar, and down right contemptuous toward other members without feeling that any reprisals should be taken or allowed toward them.

I have gotten some red flags that carried some threatening and vulgar verbiage as well as Pete and when we let it be know that we didn’t appreciate this type of action we were told to leave.

Shouldn’t the same advice be given to anyone no matter who they are that feels mistreated
or
is this a forum where there is a selected group that mandates how all the other people are treated?

I am here by choice and try to give information that would be helpful to the Home Inspection Industry but have been bashed very hard in doing so.
Most of the time the bashing comes about when the Home Inspector is outside the scope of the SOP that I have been told I must study and pass a test on if I want to become a full pledge member, namely 3.2.H when it comes to the double of white conductors on a terminal bar or 2.7. Electrical where there is no mention of pointing out the lack of GFCI protection. But then again 2.7.H makes reference to AFCI receptacles that are not on the market.

When I first tried to join it was because I was invited by a full member as they needed my knowledge of the NEC to help them to bash another member. I thank God that I made a mistake when registering and my joining was delayed by about 6 months.

The facts are really simple to someone who stands back and watches. With all the insulting remarks that I have gotten over the past few weeks along with the red squares it seems that some here do appreciate what I am doing and the fact that my little green squares are multiplying shows this.

In closing this post let me say that the one that invited me to join so I could help then do some of the spiteful things that they seem to be continuing with and all of his faithful followers it is obvious that you are losing your battle. I now have two greenies and I damn sure ain’t going anywhere unless the owners of this forum ban me.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Mike Whitt

The facts are really simple to someone who stands back and watches. With all the insulting remarks that I have gotten over the past few weeks along with the red squares it seems that some here do appreciate what I am doing and the fact that my little green squares are multiplying shows this.

In closing this post let me say that the one that invited me to join so I could help then do some of the spiteful things that they seem to be continuing with and all of his faithful followers it is obvious that you are losing your battle. I now have two greenies and I damn sure ain’t going anywhere unless the owners of this forum ban me.

I have no idea who Mike is or where he comes from but as A retired electrician I do appreciate his post's as they do help many HIS .
I would like to say how sorry I am to see what has happened to him and hope we can carry on and that he stays.
His two Green's are just double what Joe has and two more then Frank has so obviously many like his help.
I tend to not try to give electrical help as Being a Canadian many things are different in the USA.

...Cookie

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Mike,

You are a good man...Ignore the idiots that persist and when that person asked you to come and BASH...it really did show their true colors and you reached above it and became a AWESOME asset to everyone.

The same person asked MANY others to come as well an alas their efforts are fruitless because they soon find out the real story and do not wish to stoop to that persons levels......You made the right choice my friend.

I love the flavor you bring and I am also one thats loves different views and the ability to role with the punches......some others only see things in BLACK and WHITE......sometimes GRAY is the color of choice.

Hope VERY much to see you this upcoming weekend at my seminar in Roanoke.....We have much to talk about and friendship memories to make.

Trust me I get the dreaded "RED" box...even nasty comments about my wife and so on....all in a days work i guess.

As a fellow "CODE-GUY" I always welcome You, Greg, Peter, Ryan, Mike and so many other visitors who come to help. Understanding how to convey the important issues of electrical defects and understanding can be challenging...breaking it down to language that will help HI's versus confuse them is our ongoing task........and I can honestly say regardless of the antics on this board........The HI's are learning !!!!!! and thats what it is all about.

[Ryan C. Jackson]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

As a fellow "CODE-GUY" I always welcome You, Greg, Peter, Ryan, Mike and so many other visitors who come to help...

Paul, I appreciate the welcome, but this site is a little too strange for me. Lots of screaming, lots of yelling, lots of different colored boxes (whatever they are), lots of threats, lots of name-calling... lots of things that I'm just not interested in participating in.
With that said, if you ever need anything, drop me a line:

Ryan at MikeHolt.Com

Ryan

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Ryan.......Well said......Are you going to be at Mikes next month for filming? Over the years I feel I know you simply by watching mikes videos...lol.....yet we have not met quite yet.

Ryan...come on over to my site (www.theelectricalguru.com) and CHIME in anytime....you wont see those things over there....Love to have ya.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by rcooke

IHis two Green's are just double what Joe has and two more then Frank has so obviously many like his help.

Quote:
I have only given one red out in many months and it was to Joe just now.

I tried to give you one for this post and was told I have given out too many rewards to day, well, you have one coming and Like I did with Joe I will let you know it is from Cookie .
End Quote
...Cookie

Roy,
Let me clear up a few things for you....
1st:
If you tell me that you are "giving" me a Green Square that has the same impact / importance as you telling me that you were born on a Tuesday.

2nd:
If you are telling me that you are "Giving" me a Red Square that has the same impact / importance as you telling me that you were born on a Wednesday!

Born on a Tuesday.... Born on a Wednesday....See the importance?

PS:
I know how sensitive you are and much you love your "Green Squares" so I gave you one last week.

Have a "Nice Day"

[Joe Farsetta]

For thoe who do not like Joe T's stuff, my advice is to ignore it

Mike Whitt has NOTHING to say about the membership, as he is NOT a member. He is, IMO, an electrical elitist. If he doesnt like it, he can leave. Simple as that. If he wants to stay, he needs to grow a thicker skin.

I have learned from Speedy Petey, and have disagreed with some of his posts in the past. I do appreciate his advice. We have learned lots from Paul A. We have learned from Greg F.

We have watched Mike W and Joe T battle it out over bull**** NEC verbiage. I dont CARE about specific NEC verbiage on the subject they chose. I care about manufacturer's instruction, proper installation practices on the part of the electrcian, and the WHY behind it. THAT is what I care about as an inspector. Mike cant appreciate it, as his head is stuck in a book. I was node there, as I could have said his head is stuck somewhere else.

Paul, I have never criticized you on this forum, and have the utmost respect for you, but you have posted about the incorrectness of doubled neutrals on this BB several times before... until now. Why is that? Could it be because Mike Whitt, one you are friends with, took the opposing stance? I see that Mike is a moderator on your message board...

I am confused. You speak of safety all the time. Mike has shown himself as an NEC purist, and has told us he is simply trying to prevent us from looking foolish. As you know, and as Joe Tedesco has been told long ago, inspecting aint only about "code".

So, which is it? Are doubled neutrals okay or not? If not, then WHY NOT?

[Mike Whitt]

Joe Farsetta

I agree with you that I am not a member to the NACHI inspector’s group but I am a member of this discussion forum. I agree that I discuss the NEC in depth but I don’t see it as a battle. I also agree that the manufacturer’s instructions are to be followed in detail unless those instructions conflict with the verbiage of the NEC in which case the NEC would prevail. It is these rules found in the NEC that the electrician and the code enforcement official will and must use in making and inspecting an electrical installation.

You are correct in saying that Home Inspector is more about safety than code. There is neither code that mandates that wood can’t decay when it gets wet nor a code that tells termites that they can’t infest the timbers used in home construction. There is no code that says that a house can’t settle and crack the walls of basements and jam doors. There are no codes in place that mandates that the systems installed in homes can’t become worn out or outdated.

Yes I agree that the Home Inspectors do not need to have knowledge of past codes and what was mandated by codes in homes built several years ago.
I will agree that this why some states have Home Inspector Standards of Practice just like the organization that you belong to has a Standard of Practice.

It is when the Home Inspector decides that they should step outside these SOPs that most start having trouble with the licensed contractors of the trades and local code enforcement officials. It is when the Home Inspector starts comparing a house built back in the fifties to today’s standards that the conflict starts between the report made by the trades or code official and that made by the Home Inspector.

If a manufacturer of a piece of equipment includes a label in the equipment that states that more than one conductor can be installed under one screw then that is part of that manufacturer’s installation instructions. A UL Standard is the standard that the manufacturer of that equipment must follow in the manufacturing process and is not something that is included with the installation process.

This UL standard used to manufacture panels will be directed to all panels they manufacture but all panels are not installed the same. In a panel that is being used as “Service Equipment” the NEC mandates that the following be bonded together; the equipment grounding conductors, the grounding electrode conductors, the grounded (neutral) conductors and the enclosure.
In a remote panel (subpanel) there will be no grounding electrode conductor and the equipment grounding and grounded (neutrals) must be kept separated but UL Standard 67 address the manufacturing process for both panels.
This is why verbiage is introduced in the NEC to guide the electrician on the proper process for each installation and the code enforcement official on the inspection process.

If this house that was built back in the fifties is in compliance with the codes in effect at that time then there is no verbiage in any code that can mandate it be brought up to meet the codes of today’s standards unless the jurisdiction has adopted some sort of minimum housing standard. This is why there is no mention to point out the lack of GFCI devices in the SOP. The only thing that I see in the NACHI Standard of Practice that is to be called out is the lack of smoke alarms.


Please understand what I am saying. Call out anything you see and think should be called out. What I am saying is don’t take it personal if the electrician called in to evaluate your report don’t see the same safety issues that you see. A safety issue on your part in no way means that it is a safety issue on everyone else.