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Default Re: Are electricians supposed to use these tools as per 70E?

I used to go in panels with stuff from the one dollar tool bin.
Looks good to me.
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Old 12/11/07, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: Are electricians supposed to use these tools as per 70E?

Remember that national codes are not always (or usually) adopted by the local AHJ.

This post refers to NEC "recommendations" to help the electrician (if he is smart and doesn't want to kill himself) keep himself safe.

Not a "requirement", just a "helpful hint".



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See NFPA 70E

NFPA 70E Standard for Electrical Safety in the Workplace 2004 Edition
ARTICLE 90 Introduction
Chapter 1 Safety-Related Work Practices
ARTICLE 100 Definitions
ARTICLE 110 General Requirements for Electrical Safety-Related Work Practices
ARTICLE 120 Establishing an Electrically Safe Work Condition
ARTICLE 130 Working On or Near Live Parts
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Chapter 2 Safety-Related Maintenance Requirements
ARTICLE 200 Introduction
ARTICLE 205 General Maintenance Requirements
ARTICLE 210 Substations, Switchgear Assemblies, Switchboards, Panelboards, Motor Control Centers, and Disconnect Switches
ARTICLE 215 Premises Wiring
ARTICLE 220 Controller Equipment
ARTICLE 225 Fuses and Circuit Breakers
ARTICLE 230 Rotating Equipment
ARTICLE 235 Hazardous (Classified) Locations
ARTICLE 240 Batteries and Battery Rooms
ARTICLE 245 Portable Electric Tools and Equipment
ARTICLE 250 Personal Safety and Protective Equipment
Chapter 3 Safety Requirements for Special Equipment
ARTICLE 300 Introduction
ARTICLE 310 Safety-Related Work Practices for Electrolytic Cells
ARTICLE 320 Safety Requirements Related to Batteries and Battery Rooms
ARTICLE 330 Safety-Related Work Practices for Use of Lasers
ARTICLE 340 Safety-Related Work Practices: Power Electronic Equipment
Chapter 4 Installation Safety Requirements
ARTICLE 400 General Requirements for Electrical Installations
ARTICLE 410 Wiring Design and Protection
ARTICLE 420 Wiring Methods, Components, and Equipment for General Use
ARTICLE 430 Specific Purpose Equipment and Installations
ARTICLE 440 Hazardous (Classified) Locations, Class I, II, and III, Divisions 1 and 2 and Class I, Zones 0, 1, and 2
ARTICLE 450 Special Systems
Annex A Referenced Publications
Annex B Informational References
Annex C Limits of Approach
Annex D Sample Calculation of Flash Protection Boundary
Annex E Electrical Safety Program
Annex F Hazard/Risk Evaluation Procedure
Annex G Sample Lockout/Tagout Procedure
Annex H Simplified, Two-Category, Flame-Resistant (FR) Clothing System
Annex I Job Briefing and Planning Checklist
Annex J Energized Electrical Work Permit
Annex K General Categories of Electrical Hazards
Annex L Typical Application of Safeguards in the Cell Line Working Zone
Annex M Cross-Reference Tables
Tentative Interim Amendment
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For the Commercial Inspector who will inspect electrical systems in those types of buildings.

Do you or, will you follow these rules?

Courtesy: NFPA, NEC 70, 110.16

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I know some people that might wear that for changing a light bulb.
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Joe,

I provide a comprehensive safety guideline in my commercial inspection class. Bottom line is that all commercial inspections are not the same. The fact that anything EXCEPT a structure with 4-dwelling units or less is commercial, classifies all else as commercial property. The key to all of this is self-assessment and bring a SME along where needed. The NEC is nice, but is also cvoluntary when it pertains to the areas you point out. If a fool wants to electricute himeself, he will figure out a way to do it.
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Joe,

I provide a comprehensive safety guideline in my commercial inspection class. Bottom line is that all commercial inspections are not the same. The fact that anything EXCEPT a structure with 4-dwelling units or less is commercial, classifies all else as commercial property. The key to all of this is self-assessment and bring a SME along where needed. The NEC is nice, but is also cvoluntary when it pertains to the areas you point out. If a fool wants to electricute himeself, he will figure out a way to do it.
I have to agree with Joe F here, the systems that home inspectors are generaly rated 240V, safety is good, overkill is non productive.

Joe T, you have much to offer here please keep it relavent to home inspectors looking at 240V systems.

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Default Re: Are electricians supposed to use these tools as per 70E?

I noticed there are some references to the NEC.

OSHA really has the pervue here.
The determination is not the voltage, but whether or not one has employees. A self employed person does not have as much to be concerned about in relation to most OSHA requirements.
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Default Re: Are electricians supposed to use these tools as per 70E?

Pierre as far as your comment go's I must dis-aggree as I know there have been many self employed contractors fined by OSHA.
They will go after a self employed contractor just as easily.
You just may not hear about it as much.
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I have to agree with Joe F here, the systems that home inspectors are generaly rated 240V, safety is good, overkill is non productive.

Joe T, you have much to offer here please keep it relavent to home inspectors looking at 240V systems.

Regards

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Thanks Gerry, I guess that we should try to define those commercial buildings or locations that do not fall within the commercial inspection areas, such as: marinas, repair garages, fuel dispensing facilities, banks, clinics, hospitals, theaters, offices, hotels, restaurants, assembly occupancies, or similar areas. I searched the NEC and found many references to commercial areas that were in my thoughts.

My 70E reference here was not implying inspections of the areas identified in the contents. The scope of 70E reads as follows:

"Document Scope: (A) Covered. This standard addresses those electrical safety requirements for employee workplaces that are necessary for the practical safeguarding of employees in their pursuit of gainful employment. This standard covers the installation of electric conductors, electric equipment, signaling and communications conductors and equipment, and raceways for the following: (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations

FPN: For additional information concerning such installations in an industrial or multibuilding complex, see ANSI C2-2002, National Electrical Safety Code. (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of electricity (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center."
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Default Re: Are electricians supposed to use these tools as per 70E?

I found the definition in the:

"International Standards of Practice for Inspecting Commercial Properties

2 Definitions
2.1 Core definitions

2.1.1
Commercial Property - A commercial property is defined as the building structures and improvements located on a parcel of commercial real estate. These may include structures such as buildings with residential units operated for profit, mixed use buildings, strip malls, motels, factories, storage facilities, restaurants, and office buildings."

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Hi to all,

Joe, NFPA 70E covers installation of conductors, as apposed to non invaisive inspection, also the deffinition of commercial property that you quote from NEC and ASTM is not what most of our members inspect, remember that our standards, and those covering inspectors in licensed states generaly define Home inspection as a limited visual non-invaisive evaluation of a single family property or a residential building containing 4 or fewer residential units.

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Hi to all,

Joe, NFPA 70E covers installation of conductors, as apposed to non invaisive inspection, also the deffinition of commercial property that you quote from NEC and ASTM is not what most of our members inspect, remember that our standards, and those covering inspectors in licensed states generaly define Home inspection as a limited visual non-invaisive evaluation of a single family property or a residential building containing 4 or fewer residential units.

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Gerry:

I found the definition here:
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Hi Joe, appologies, I was just checking ASTM 2018 for that verbiage when you posted, no wonder I couldn't find it!!

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