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Old 7/27/10, 8:26 AM
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I did an inspection yesterday on a condo that is less than 1 year old. One AFCI breaker in one bedroom trips when the owner uses a vacuum sweeper. She said it doesn't happen every time. I'm calling for review. Anyone had this issue? What causes this? Faulty breaker? Thanks, Stan
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Old 7/27/10, 9:24 AM
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Does the same thing happen when she uses the vacuum in another protected bedroom? If so, the breaker is probably not faulty; otherwise it may be.



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Old 7/27/10, 12:49 PM
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That room only.
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Old 7/27/10, 12:58 PM
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Allegedly, these breakers are intelligent to discern between an arc and the arcs internal to an electric motor.

Maybe this particular breaker was absent on the day this was taught...
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That room only.
In that case, I would report that the breaker appeared to be faulty.



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Old 7/27/10, 2:17 PM
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Defer this to a vacuum salesman next time he comes-a-knocking!



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Old 7/27/10, 2:29 PM
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I did an inspection yesterday on a condo that is less than 1 year old. One AFCI breaker in one bedroom trips when the owner uses a vacuum sweeper. She said it doesn't happen every time. I'm calling for review. Anyone had this issue? What causes this? Faulty breaker? Thanks, Stan
It is entirely possible the AFCI is Functioning as intended...
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Old 7/27/10, 2:43 PM
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Does the same thing happen when she uses the vacuum in another protected bedroom? If so, the breaker is probably not faulty; otherwise it may be.
In my area, typically all bedrooms are on the same afci breaker. If the problem happens in one bedroom, it should happen in all bedrooms. Were the bedrooms on sererate afci, or combined? Is it the same outlet everytime, or all outlets in the room? If only the one outlet, guess where the problem is.
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It is entirely possible the AFCI is Functioning as intended...
... and all others are kaput!
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Old 7/27/10, 2:46 PM
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You could have a loose connection from something like backstabbing wires into the plug that is arcing in that bedroom which may be downstream from other bedrooms or on a completely different AFCI.



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You could have a loose connection from something like backstabbing wires into the plug that is arcing in that bedroom which may be downstream from other bedrooms or on a completely different AFCI.
Exactly.....
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You could have a loose connection from something like backstabbing wires into the plug that is arcing in that bedroom which may be downstream from other bedrooms or on a completely different AFCI.

Ya, I never cared for backstabbers...



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I did an inspection yesterday on a condo that is less than 1 year old. One AFCI breaker in one bedroom trips when the owner uses a vacuum sweeper. She said it doesn't happen every time. I'm calling for review. Anyone had this issue? What causes this? Faulty breaker? Thanks, Stan
This note goes in every report I do that has AFCI's.

NOTE: Certain electronic-equipped appliances, including Kenmore, Panasonic and Miele vacuum cleaners, can exhibit start-up characteristics which the arc fault circuit interrupter recognizes as an electrical arc. When this happens the AFCI believes it is sensing a hazardous condition, even though there is no hazardous condition, and the breaker trips. The easiest solution is to use a high quality 16 gauge extension cord plugged into an outlet outside of the bedroom.



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. One AFCI breaker in one bedroom trips when the owner uses a vacuum sweeper.
Geez - that would suck!



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Old 7/27/10, 11:25 PM
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This note goes in every report I do that has AFCI's.

NOTE: Certain electronic-equipped appliances, including Kenmore, Panasonic and Miele vacuum cleaners, can exhibit start-up characteristics which the arc fault circuit interrupter recognizes as an electrical arc. When this happens the AFCI believes it is sensing a hazardous condition, even though there is no hazardous condition, and the breaker trips. The easiest solution is to use a high quality 16 gauge extension cord plugged into an outlet outside of the bedroom.
Mark, Have a link to where this info is provided?
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