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Old 4/26/07, 6:13 PM
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Well Frank I don't right now so I will make one more post.

All you keep doing is pasting the code quote. That's nice, but I still get the impression that you think receptacles need to be 6' apart.

If you gave a real answer instead of just copying and pasting we would be fine.

You seem to be offended that someone such as I would dare to question you. That was not the case, I was merely clarifying so that others do not get the wrong impression or the wrong information. As was already agreed upon, this is something many folks are not entirely clear with.
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Old 4/26/07, 7:06 PM
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Well Frank I don't right now so I will make one more post.

All you keep doing is pasting the code quote. That's nice, but I still get the impression that
you think receptacles need to be 6' apart.
Oh my God, you're joking right? Please read the codes carefully. Nowhere does it state that the receptacles need to be 6 feet apart. That is very clear!
Nowhere do I state that the receptacles have to be 6 feet apart!

If you gave a real answer instead of just copying and pasting we would be fine.
The codes are crystal clear, so that means I have provided very clear and precise answers.

You seem to be offended that someone such as I would dare to question you. That was not the case, I was merely clarifying so that others do not get the wrong impression or the wrong information.

I interact with a very highly educated and experienced group of people. Our New Hampshire state chapter is top-heavy with engineers and past and present code officials. I took it for granted that who ever is reading this "thread" is just as educated and can read as well as I can.

As was already agreed upon, this is something many folks are not entirely clear with.
I am sorry to hear that.

Please read this again it is self-explanatory.
E3801.2.1 Spacing.
Receptacles shall be installed so that no point measured horizontally along the floor line in any wall spaceis more than 6 feet (1829 mm), from a receptacle outlet.



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Old 4/26/07, 7:14 PM
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Thank you Frank. That is what I meant. When you earlier questioned whether the receptacle was within 6' of another it seemed odd.
There was NO need to post the code once again. I think I can find it elsewhere in this thread, along with having read it many, many times in my own code books.

I truly hope you and your
"very highly educated and experienced group of people" are careful. With your noses so high in the air it is easy to get a nose bleed.

And you are wrong for assuming that those reading these threads being "just as educated". I think that is why many folks come here and to other trade boards. This is one of the reasons I try to help as much as possible.
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Old 4/26/07, 7:23 PM
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...I truly hope you and your "very highly educated and experienced group of people" are careful. With your noses so high in the air it is easy to get a nose bleed.
Speedy, you just insulted a lot of people here was that really necessary?
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Old 4/26/07, 7:28 PM
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Thank you Frank. That is what I meant. When you earlier questioned whether the receptacle was within 6' of another it seemed odd.
There was NO need to post the code once again. I think I can find it elsewhere in this thread, along with having read it many, many times in my own code books.

I truly hope you and your "very highly educated and experienced group of people" are careful. With your noses so high in the air it is easy to get a nose bleed.
That is an assumption on your part, and that statement is uncalled for!
Our group is very well grounded and down to earth and always willing to help our fellow inspectors.

If one of our inspectors has a problem or question in a specific field those with more expertise will voluntarily go out on an inspection to help those inspectors that have less experience.

And you are wrong for assuming that those reading these threads being "just as educated".
I like to think well of people. All of the NACHI inspectors that I had met have been highly trained and well educated.
I think that is why many folks come here and to other trade boards.

This is one of the reasons I try to help as much as possible.

Yes it seems like you're not the only one who tries to help, as you can see from the replies not only on the electrical section but all of the other technical sections NACHI has some really capable people who are willing to share their knowledge.
I applaud you for your efforts in trying to help. Keep up the good work

Like I said, I am signing off of this thread.



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Speedy, you just insulted a lot of people here was that really necessary?
I don't see it that way AT ALL!
This comment was made in reply to something I considered very conceited and condescending.
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Old 4/26/07, 7:31 PM
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I don't see it that way AT ALL!
It's gotta be a New York in your face thing. Whatever.

Speedy I do appreciate your contributions here just the same.
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Old 4/26/07, 7:32 PM
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It's gotta be a New York in your face thing.
No. Not really. That would be more of a NYC thing.



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Like I said, I am signing off of this thread.
Myself as well.
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Old 4/26/07, 7:42 PM
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Me too.
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Frank, I am surprised with all your years of experience you still do not understand this.

"No point along a wall is more than 6' from a receptacle."
This DOES NOT mean the receptacles must be 6' apart. It means they can be 12' apart.
Point to a spot on the wall. There must be a receptacle within 6' of your finger, in either direction.
And of course in the correct context of "When this code spacing requirement existed", or even more specifically when the governing jurisdiction adopted that particular model code and year.
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The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of product: Carlon® Drop-In Floor Boxes

Units: About 100,000

Manufacturer Lamson & Sessions, of Cleveland, Ohio

Hazard: The recalled floor boxes are wired incorrectly resulting in reverse polarity. This poses a shock or electrocution hazard to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: Lamson & Sessions has received one report of an incident with the recalled floor boxes. No injuries have been reported.

Description and Models: The drop-in floor boxes are used to provide an extra electrical outlet in the floor. They were sold under the Carlon® brand name and have a brass finish cover approximately 3 1/2 inches in diameter. "Carlon" is stamped into the plastic above the receptacle and the model number is located to the left of the receptacle. Model numbers E971FBDI and E971FBDIB are included in this recall.

Sold at: Homecenters, hardware retailers and electrical distributors nationwide between January 2005 and March 2007 for about $35.

Manufactured in: China

Remedy: Consumers should immediately unplug anything that is plugged into the floor box and contact Lamson & Sessions to determine if their floor box is included in the recall. Consumers with recalled units will receive a free repair.

Consumer Contact: For additional information, call Lamson & Sessions toll-free at (866) 636-1531 between 8:30 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday, or visit www.lamson-home.com

To see this recall on CPSC's web site, including pictures of the recalled products, please click here.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products under the agency's jurisdiction. Deaths, injuries and property damage from consumer product incidents cost the nation more than $700 billion annually. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard or can injure children. The CPSC's work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals - contributed significantly to the 30 percent decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years.
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