GFCI breaker

[Zoe Fackler]

According to our electrician here in florida the white reset was typical to the pop-o-matic breakers used before GFCI came to pass. He says from the 60's and 70's.
By the 80's GFCI were improved and the button became red by standard.

He also says that it appears the original expoy has deteriorated and is allowing moisture to rust the connection points. He says continual over heating causes this.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by zfackler

According to our electrician here in florida the white reset was typical to the pop-o-matic breakers used before GFCI came to pass. He says from the 60's and 70's.
By the 80's GFCI were improved and the button became red by standard.

He also says that it appears the original expoy has deteriorated and is allowing moisture to rust the connection points. He says continual over heating causes this.

By what standard..?....I see white, blue, yellow and so on as colors for the buttons on GFCI's...some are even the color of the device itself on receptacles....There is no standard in color for GFCI's that I am aware of.

On the overheating.....if no signs of moisture within the enclosure I would venture to not believe the statement of rust as it pertains to THIS picture in question...but in Florida depending on where you live it could be possibly a salt issue and corrosion....just not sure but I dont think it is the case in this image shown.

The original posted is from Idaho I believe.

[brepanshek]

lol...the only problem I see is....
Attached Thumbnails

Paul, I see this all but every inspection I go on. Is there really a major problem with this??? I've see panel inspected with this situation and nothing said, so why should I state anything????????

[Michael W. Gault]

Originally Posted by brepanshek

lol...the only problem I see is....
Attached Thumbnailshttp://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...1&d=1182049433

Paul, I see this all but every inspection I go on. Is there really a major problem with this??? I've see panel inspected with this situation and nothing said, so why should I state anything????????

Brian,

Pleeeease don't get me started on the double lugged neutrals!

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by mgault

Brian,

Pleeeease don't get me started on the double lugged neutrals!

Yeah...Let's not go there....PLEASE.

It's very simple....408.21 specially states "each grounded conductor [neutral] shall terminate within the panelboard in an individual terminal that is not also used for another conductor".

Double lugging neutrals is not be permitted, PERIOD.

[Greg Fretwell]

Just bear in mind 408.21 is fairly new. It may not have been adopted when the house was built.

[Michael Larson]

Greg, while that is true, it's my understanding the compliance with UL67 for panel boards has always been that way.

[Greg Fretwell]

Calling this as a 110.3 is not as common as one would expect and it is very likely that you would see double lugged neutrals before the 2002 code made it clear it was illegal. It was very common to see the ground and neutral for a particular circuit under one lug.

[David P. Valley]

Originally Posted by Greg Fretwell

Just bear in mind 408.21 is fairly new. It may not have been adopted when the house was built.

I write it up either way, and I do indeed tell my clients that this issue is todays standards.

[Greg Fretwell]

That is the luxury of your job. You are just there to voice concerns, not to enforce code. A code inspector can't really complain about things like light switches behind doors and receptacles in inconvenient places as long as they meet code. You are there for the buyer.

Personally I don't see double lugged neutrals as a huge concern until harry homeowner starts poking around in the panel but it could be an indicator of unlicensed/unpermitted work in a newer home.