InterNACHI


Go Back   InterNACHI Inspection Forum > Specific Inspection Topics > Electrical Inspections

Notices

Electrical Inspections Contains discussions about electrical systems. This includes receptacles, panels, wiring, etc.

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 3/29/10, 4:02 PM
David C. Macy's Avatar
David C. Macy David C. Macy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NE. OH
Posts: 2,658
Default GFCI reset location

On today's inspection when I was testing the kitchen counter top receptacles on the ones that were protected downstream I heard it pop but was struggling finding the reset. So I figure I would find as I went along.

So I am still in kitchen an I wanted to look at the gas connection under the range top and there it was. Kind of a pain to take out utensils and drawers to reset. Then the house cat is in the drawer. I lost the cat after I rang the door bell, it was great. The cat is sniffing in my tool bag, I ring the bell and the cat goes flying across the room, it really freaked out when I tested the door bell.

Getting back to the GFCI.

Is it required to have the labels on the GFCI that are downstream and lack equipment grounds?

Also are there any specifications on reset locations?

If Jeff Pope reads this thanks for the assist on the sub panel breaker.
Attached Thumbnails
gfci-reset-location-157910-018-small-.jpg.jpg
Views:	92
Size:	28.7 KB
ID:	36076  
Reply With Quote
Need a home inspection in District Of Columbia? Check out InterNACHI's listing of District Of Columbia certified home inspectors. Or, find a home inspector anywhere in the world with our inspection search engine.
  #2  
Old 3/29/10, 4:22 PM
Jeffrey R. Pope's Avatar
Jeffrey R. Pope Jeffrey R. Pope is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 8,058
Default Re: GFCI reset location

GFCI protected receptacles should be labeled accordingly. The reset simply needs to be accessible, and apparently, this one is.

I see "awkward" placement of GFCI resets quite often. I have no problem recommending "relocation for convenience purposes."

Happy to help earlier. It was a good question. Maybe you can post the question for others to learn as well.



IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ®
Jeff Pope
JPI Home Inspection Service
Santa Clarita CA
(661) 212-0738
Santa Clarita Home Inspection
http://www.MyInspector.net


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 3/29/10, 4:24 PM
David C. Macy's Avatar
David C. Macy David C. Macy is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NE. OH
Posts: 2,658
Default Re: GFCI reset location

Thanks Jeff, I will post as I see this quite often and usually when I run into again I forget what I learned.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 3/29/10, 4:48 PM
Robert Meier's Avatar
Robert Meier Robert Meier is online now
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,252
Please Note: Robert Meier is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: GFCI reset location

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmacy View Post

Getting back to the GFCI.

Is it required to have the labels on the GFCI that are downstream and lack equipment grounds?

Downstream labels are only required by the NEC when there is no equipment ground present. The required label information is dependent on the type of receptacle:

Quote:
406.3(D)(3) Non–Grounding-Type Receptacles. Where attachment to an equipment grounding conductor does not exist in the receptacle enclosure, the installation shall comply with (D)(3)(a), (D)(3)(b), or (D)(3)(c).
(a) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with another non–grounding-type receptacle(s).
(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type of receptacle(s). These receptacles shall be marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.
(c) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be replaced with a grounding-type receptacle(s) where supplied through a ground-fault circuit interrupter. Grounding-type receptacles supplied through the ground-fault circuit interrupter shall be marked “GFCI Protected” and “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding conductor shall not be connected between the grounding-type receptacles.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 3/29/10, 8:46 PM
Joe Funderburk, CMI's Avatar
Joe Funderburk, CMI Joe Funderburk, CMI is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hickory Grove, SC
Posts: 8,343
Send a message via Yahoo to jfunderburk
Default Re: GFCI reset location

I've seen resets in garage ceilings, behind washing machines, beneath low decks, and inside the crawl space to name a few. I recommend relocation when logic suggests it would be a problem. (Who wants to crawl 1/2 way through the crawl space to reset a tripped GFCI? I saw one like that.)



“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price,
prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first,
the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.”
Theodore Roosevelt


Joe Funderburk, CMI
Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC
Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC
NACHI ID: NACHI05120170
www.aohomeinspection.com


Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 3/29/10, 9:24 PM
Larry J. Michael Larry J. Michael is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Greensboro, N. C.
Posts: 732
Default Re: GFCI reset location

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfunderburk View Post
I've seen resets in garage ceilings, behind washing machines, beneath low decks, and inside the crawl space to name a few. I recommend relocation when logic suggests it would be a problem. (Who wants to crawl 1/2 way through the crawl space to reset a tripped GFCI? I saw one like that.)

Same here, they are accessible, just not easily.



Greensboro Home Inspection
Providing home inspections in Greensboro, High Point, Burlington and the surrounding areas.
greensboro-home-inspection.html

Raleigh Home Inspection
Home inspections in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Chapel Hill, Apex and surrounding areas.
Raleigh-home-inspection.html

BassRumors.com
Providing a blog, news, and forum dedicated to bass fishing.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 3/29/10, 10:12 PM
Bruce A. King's Avatar
Bruce A. King Bruce A. King is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: York, SC
Posts: 3,207
Default Re: GFCI reset location

Accessible means very little to code inspectors, I was doing a predrywall and noticed a junction box in an attic that would end up being impossible to find after it was covered with insulation and very tricky to get there since it was near the eave. The code inspector was there too so I showed it to him. Without hesitation he said it was technically accessible and nothing he could write up. I said well, I'll be writing it up and he said, "good I don't blame you one bit". The code needs to be changed to make some things "readily accessible".



B.A. King Home Inspections, LLC
www.BAKingHomeInspections.com
Serving Charlotte NC area and Rock Hill SC areas.
CMI Certified Master Inspector and Independent
License NC2449 and SC1597
704 301-3207



"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought."
- Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 3/31/10, 10:36 AM
Frank P. Newman Frank P. Newman is offline
InterNACHI Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Dublin, GA
Posts: 668
Default Re: GFCI reset location

I agree - I have spend untold hours looking for the elusive "click" (and you only get one chance ). My concern is that the downstream receptacles are seldom labeled as "GFCI protected". Has anyone ever seen a durable label used for this purpose? The ones that they furnish with receptacles are flimsy and pretty worthless, IMHO (even though they would satisfy the requirement if and when installed).



Frank P. Newman
Emerald City Inspections, LLC
Dublin, GA
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 3/31/10, 4:00 PM
Robert Meier's Avatar
Robert Meier Robert Meier is online now
Active Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,252
Please Note: Robert Meier is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
Default Re: GFCI reset location

Quote:
Originally Posted by fnewman View Post
I agree - I have spend untold hours looking for the elusive "click" (and you only get one chance ). My concern is that the downstream receptacles are seldom labeled as "GFCI protected". Has anyone ever seen a durable label used for this purpose? The ones that they furnish with receptacles are flimsy and pretty worthless, IMHO (even though they would satisfy the requirement if and when installed).
No one uses those labels because they're pretty ugly and for the most part not required. Maybe an engraved faceplate would look better.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
GFCI Location rparker Canadian Inspectors 3 11/19/08 10:50 PM
More GFCI info from U/L Greg Fretwell Electrical Inspections 9 12/4/07 8:33 PM
GFCI Safety Notice rcooke Electrical Inspections 1 10/30/07 12:29 PM
The question asked on the new HI Study test here? jtedesco1 Electrical Inspections 28 10/4/06 9:31 AM
GFCI location dmacy Electrical Inspections 9 3/3/06 11:32 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 9:48 AM.


Popular Sections

:

All Sections

Inspection News

InterNACHI Membership

Inspection Standards

Inspection Education

InterNACHI Inspectors

Inspection Links

 

 

 

NACHI.ORG Statistics

 

 

no new posts