Grounded conductors

[jtedesco1]

OK, I see your point Jeff, what if the poll read this way:

I check all terminals for more than one conductor and terminals used to connect aluminum to be sure they are identified for that use.

Yes ______ No ______

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

That's an easy "yes."

[Robert J. OConnor]

Originally Posted by jtedesco1

Please do not allow any more than one neutral conductor under one termination!

That would be up to the local AHJ doing the code compliance inspection at the time of the installation.

[jtedesco1]

Originally Posted by roconnor

That would be up to the local AHJ doing the code compliance inspection at the time of the installation.

I agree.

Some Home Inspectors make inspections of new installations too. Will they identify the defect being discussed here?

If so, are references provided as to where the restriction can be found?

For information:

Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ). An organization, office, or individual responsible for enforcing the requirements of a code or standard, or for approving equipment, materials, an installation, or a procedure.

FPN: The phrase “authority having jurisdiction,” or its acronym AHJ, is used in NFPA documents in a broad manner, since jurisdictions and approval agencies vary, as do their responsibilities.

Where public safety is primary, the authority having jurisdiction may be a federal, state, local, or other regional department or individual such as a fire chief; fire marshal; chief of a fire prevention bureau, labor department, or health department; building official; electrical inspector; or others having statutory authority.

For insurance purposes, an insurance inspection department, rating bureau, or other insurance company representative may be the authority having jurisdiction.

In many circumstances, the property owner or his or her designated agent assumes the role of the authority having jurisdiction; at government installations, the commanding officer or departmental official may be the authority having jurisdiction.

[Robert J. OConnor]

Originally Posted by jtedesco1

Some Home Inspectors make inspections of new installations too. Will they identify the defect being discussed here?

While AHJ inspections of new installs really isn't the purpose of this BB, prior to 2002 it really depended on the panel label and how the local electrical professionals and AHJ interpreted the requirements. Very limited work around to it being a code issue (I don't agree with Mike's work around), but thats way beyond a home inspection to determine. Mike Holt's board is a better place for that discussion.

For HI's they just need to decide how strongly to word the defect, write it up as they see it (considering some electrical professionals dont see it as a big deal if there are no signs of other problems), and call it a day ...

[jtedesco1]

Hooray!

Chris you won the poll!

[Ron S. De Mott]

Codes state in parallel circuits it is ok to double tap. Since houses have mostly these type of circuits that is why we see them so much. A series circuit can not be double tapped and I don't know of many, if any series circuits in houses. To keep them separate would be the easiest soulution, but not the case. Suggest it as a upgrade as per 2002 codes, which agian state its ok to double parallel circuits.

[Speedy Petey]

I see once again someone dug up an old thread and deleted their post so as to bring the thread to the top for some reason. The post before Ron's was in September yet the thread was at the top.

Originally Posted by rdemott

Codes state in parallel circuits it is ok to double tap. Since houses have mostly these type of circuits that is why we see them so much. A series circuit can not be double tapped and I don't know of many, if any series circuits in houses. To keep them separate would be the easiest soulution, but not the case. Suggest it as a upgrade as per 2002 codes, which agian state its ok to double parallel circuits.

Ron, most of this is completely wrong. The neutrals in question are NOT run in parallel and are from different circuits.

You CANNOT parallel conductors this small, and besides, we DO NOT "parallel" conductors in a house. You are confusing running conductors in parallel and parallel circuits.
NONE of this has anything to do with double tapped neutrals on the neutral bar.
ALL line voltage AC wiring circuits are run in parallel. NOTHING is run in series.
Alarms and such are run in series.

[Speedy Petey]

Sorry, I see now.***

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

As you can see, the last post to this forum was at 10:30am.
Someone is screwing around.

No one is screwing around.
This thread contains an open poll question.

Every time someone votes, the time stamp on the last post of the thread changes to the time the vote was cast.

I'm the last post now so you can put your paranoia to bed.