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Are you looking for this at outbuildings, shops, detached garages, etc.?
2009 IRC E3607.3 Buildings or structures supplied by feeder(s) or branch circuit(s). Buildings or structures supplied by feeder(s) or branch circuit(s) shall have a grounding electrode or grounding electrode system installed in accordance with Section E3608. The grounding electrode conductor(s) shall be connected in a manner specified in Section E3607.3.1 or, for existing premises wiring systems only, Section E3607.3.2. Where there is no existing grounding electrode, the grounding electrode(s) required in Section E3608 shall be installed. Exception: A grounding electrode shall not be required where only one branch circuit, including a multiwire branch circuit, supplies the building or structure and the branch circuit includes an equipment grounding conductor for grounding the noncurrent-carrying parts of all equipment. For the purposes of this section, a multiwire branch circuit shall be considered as a single branch circuit. IRC Commentary: Where two or more buildings are supplied from one service, each building must have a grounding electrode. For example, a dwelling has a service supplied from the power company to service equipment on the outside of the dwelling and has two 2-pole circuit breakers as main service disconnects. One 2-pole circuit breaker serves a feeder run to the panelboard inside the dwelling, and the other serves a feeder run to a panelboard at a separate workshop building 100 feet (30 480 mm) away from the dwelling. Both the dwelling and the workshop must have a grounding electrode as described in Section E3608. If there is no grounding electrode at the workshop, one of the grounding electrodes listed in Section E3608 must be installed. A ground rod, concrete encased electrode, or ground ring could be installed. If water is supplied to the separate workshop building through metal pipe, an underground metal water pipe could serve as the grounding electrode. This section states that the grounding electrode at the separate building must be connected in the building disconnecting means in one of the ways described in the two sub-sections that follow. Note that Section E3607.3.2 applies only to existing premises wiring systems. A separate building must have a main disconnect and not simply a panelboard. A main disconnect could be a main circuit breaker in the panelboard that would disconnect all the power to the panelboard. A grounding electrode is not required in a separate building if it is served by only one branch circuit. If a separate building supplied by only one branch circuit does not have a grounding electrode, it does not have to have a ground rod installed. If a metal underground water pipe is already installed at the building, it does not have to be bonded to the equipment grounding conductor of the one branch circuit. A building like a small tool shed, for example, may have only a light and receptacle. The equipment grounding conductor run with the branch circuit conductors is sufficient to ground any equipment for this separate building. Of course, a receptacle in a tool storage shed or accessory building at grade level would require ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection, but, the grounding conductor need not be connected to a grounding electrode such as a ground rod. “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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SO in lamens terms, if you have a sub panel in your garage, then it needs a grounding electrode.
Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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Unless there is only 1 branch circuit (outlets and lights, for example).
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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I have only seen a grounding electrode at an outbuilding once in 5 years.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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I would agree with you. What do you think people will say when you try to make them fix it???
Also are you sure it is a manditory requirement in your area? Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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If it's an existing building without a 4-wire feeder, this code applies: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f19/groun...ildings-56130/ Regardless, unless it's a single circuit, all outbuildings require a grounding electrode per the 2009 IRC. Read the commentary in the above link for existing buildings. “The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com Last edited by jfunderburk; 12/9/10 at 1:24 PM.. |
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Even if the stste does not recognize this adoption?
Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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The IRC is not applicable if it's not adopted by your local government or state.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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SO I guess the turning of the blind eye will continue for me
Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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Is the NEC applicable where you live? The electrical section of the 2009 IRC comes from the 2008 NEC.
“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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I have always tried to confirm that detached structures have their own GES. If I cannot confirm it, or it isn't present, it goes in the report as a necessary correction. IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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I am glad you are enjoying all the new found books at you job Joe.
Infraspection Institute Level 1 Certified Infrared Thermographer Fogarty Inspection Services Group of Knoxville TN Home inspections, Commercial Inspections, Thermal Imaging, Mold, Enviromental Testing and Radon Testing for Knoxville TN, Oak Ridge TN, Maryville, Clinton, Farragut, Lenoir City, Pigeon Forge, Sevierville and all the surrounding areas. 865-256-5397 www.homeinspectorknoxville.com www.moldandradon.com www.thermal-inspection.net www.commercial-building-inspector.net |
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“The things that will destroy America are peace at any price, prosperity at any cost, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.” Theodore Roosevelt Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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