Grounding ( neutral) Conductor Terminals

[Greg Fretwell]

There is another similar violation people seem to ignore. In the main panel you have a neutral bus bar, connected to the grounded service conductor or connected to that bus bar with the factory strap but you can also have other auxillary bus bars screwed directly to the enclosure. Those bus bars are ONLY for the grounding conductors. If you connect a neutral to one of these it is a 250.6 violation since you are sending branch circuit current through the main bonding jumper. Even in the main panel where the service disconnect resides, all ground busses are not the same.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Which are you refering to greg.....the original post was a MIKE HOLT image...The picture in the previous post was new...have not even looked at it.

[Greg Fretwell]

I don't know of any pictures of this. If I get a minute I may take some.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Ahh....I thought you were talking about a specific image. yes, I agree it is VERY important to know how the busses are connected within the panel.

This would be MORE so a problem in a "Remote Distribution Panel" when done incorrectly.

[Peter W. Bennett]

Any photos/diagrams available?
thanks, Peter

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Peter,

I will see...but just think of it this way.....like a normal remote distribution panel with a seperate isolated " Grounded " neutral buss bar and then a jumper to the panel....all along you had a grounding buss bar already attached to the panel....kinda defeats the isolation of the grounded buss bar part...

Did anyone notice in my original post i used the title " grounding (Neutral ) conductor terminals"...so wrong..lol...I should have said " Grounded ( Neutral ) conductor terminals"

Amazed I was not caught on that....

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Amazed I was not caught on that....

I guess no one wanted to challenge the GURU.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol.......WOW...now you KNOW I dont demand that kinda respect...lol

Actually I noticed it a bit back but then it would not let me edit it so I said...Hell with it...lol

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol...I notice GREG is reading this post as we speak.....Be gentle on me FELLA...thehehe

[aandrews]

Thanks Paul .

Just went down and looked at my Panel and found two spots were the ground and neutral are together on the buss bar. Should I remove and separate them ? I have installed a few breakers before.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Well.....You can but do this for me FIRST......CLICK off your MAIN breaker ( and understand the wires coming IN are still LIVE ) ahead of time just to be safe and GO FOR IT.....just make sure you have your torque wrench handy

[aandrews]

Thanks Paul will do !

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Did anyone notice in my original post i used the title " grounding (Neutral ) conductor terminals"...so wrong..lol...I should have said " Grounded ( Neutral ) conductor terminals"

Amazed I was not caught on that....

I just read this post and that was flashing in neon so I was going to mention something but you've already cleaned up after yourself. I'll have to let the granddaughter know that, yes, we even have to clean up after ourselves on the message board. She'll like that.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol......it was posted like.......April of 2006, I noticed it at a point that it would not let me edit anymore...not sure what the time frame was on that...lol....yeah I never said I was perfect....it is only implied as such