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Old 1/12/11, 6:14 PM
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Would you write this up as an extension cord being used as permanent wiring? Personally I like it. The lights were hung on hooks and unplugged. Attic and crawl.
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Old 1/12/11, 6:18 PM
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I would write it up. But again thats me



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Old 1/12/11, 6:22 PM
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Absolutely.



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Old 1/12/11, 6:31 PM
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Yes, write it up.
Now let me ask you why you would think of not writing it up other than looking pretty.

Why do you think it is safe ?
Those kind of lights are made to be used for while working then unplugged but are set up to stay.
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Yes, write it up.
Now let me ask you why you would think of not writing it up other than looking pretty.

Why do you think it is safe ?
Those kind of lights are made to be used for while working then unplugged but are set up to stay.
They were simple being stored in the attic and crawl on hooks and they were unplugged.




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Old 1/12/11, 6:58 PM
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If you wanted to split hairs, what would be the difference from what you have to bringing it in if you wanted to work in the crawl or attic. I personally would mention it, and of course a permanant source of lighting should have been provided, but since they are not supplying permanant power to other fixtures could you classify it as such?
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Old 1/12/11, 7:01 PM
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If you wanted to split hairs, what would be the difference from what you have to bringing it in if you wanted to work in the crawl or attic. I personally would mention it, and of course a permanant source of lighting should have been provided, but since they are not supplying permanant power to other fixtures could you classify it as such?
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Old 1/12/11, 7:41 PM
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what would be the difference from what you have to bringing it in if you wanted to work in the crawl or attic.
The difference is, it is more likely to be inspected for wear & tear if/when it is put away after each use. When it's just "hanging" there in the attic - draped over the hooks - it is subject to damage and deterioration that would likely go unnoticed.



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Old 1/12/11, 7:57 PM
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One very good reason (besides the Code) is that stranded extension cord wiring is not rated (like NM cable is) for the high temps it will be exposed to in the attic, regardless if it is in use or not. I find this all the time and most of the time the cord is badly deteriorating from the excessive heat and typically is not properly fixed to the framing and the fixtures are not grounded. If you think about it I am sure you can come up with half a dozen other reasons not to use extension cord for permanent household wiring just from a common sense thing or safety concerns.



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I have to disagree with this one.

Installing temporary lighting is easy and simple, whether it be in your attic or on a construction site. Most temporary light strings come with mounting hooks that can be easily attached to any surface. Temporary lights can be used to illuminate crawl spaces and attics, or any other space where it is difficult to install a permanent lighting solution. Temporary light strings come in a variety of lengths, sizes and applications.

I don't think there is anything preventing OSHA approved temporary lighting for attic and crawl space use.
After all, it is temporary. They come with an approved plug and as long as their is a permanent wiring device to plug into, there is nothing wrong.
No one is force to install permanent wiring lighting circuits in an attic or crawlspace, the ones that do is merely for convenience.

I have no lighting in my attic and in 22 years, if I need a light, I will bring one up and may leave it there for the next time. Hopefully I am here to use it again in 20 years.






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Old 1/12/11, 8:32 PM
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What about christmas lights? People use them all year long.. Wayne never takes his down.




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Old 1/12/11, 8:35 PM
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And he is a Fireman (was), so it has to be all right.
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Old 1/12/11, 8:38 PM
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I will agree with Marcel, those look like a listed set of temporary lights that you could commonly find on a construction site.
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I will agree with Marcel, those look like a listed set of temporary lights that you could commonly find on a construction site.
I agree, they are temporary lights/lighting. They should not be left hanging in the attic year after year.



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Old 1/12/11, 8:43 PM
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I didn't realize it was a poll. I would not have bothered to answer. Thought he was asking if it was right or wrong and for his report. Does not matter if the material used is typically used for temporary, if it is installed as permanent than it is not acceptable. The lights are not the major problem, it is the cords.



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