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jtedesco1 is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
The Bonding Jumper is missing. It is supposed to be installed to bond the water pipes when the water meter is removed for repair or replacement to protect the water company personnel from an electric shock hazard.
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Could it be installed up high out of the scope of the picture?
Could the Grounding Electrode Conductor be installed at the point of entry and the interior pipe then be bonded elsewhere in the building to satisfy 250.104? In this picture say that the 250.52(A)(1) GEC was already installed at the point of entry of the building could not the 250,104 bond be installed as pictured? In other words the bonding jumper is not necessarily required to be right there at the meter.
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Examples of equipment likely to be disconnected for repairs or replacement are water meters and water filter systems. |
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Is it really required to protect water company personnel in the event they remove the meter, or is it installed to help ensure that the metallic piping throughoput the structure is grounded , regardless of presence of the weater meter, in the event that thie piping should somehow become energized.
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Also the bonding jumper will be required around unions, etc., too when the GEC is connected to a water pipe on the load side of the water meter. Last edited by jtedesco1; 1/18/08 at 8:43 AM.. |
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I have met several (4 or 5) plumbers on home inspections that have said that they received an electrical shock when removing a water meter. They did this because 1) a bonding jumper was not installed over the meter, and 2) they worked too hastily without thinking of the need for one. I understand the exceptions to the rule (code) as Mike points out. But for me personally, I recommend a bonding jumper to be installed in a manner stated by Joe Tedesco on every water meter that I inspect. Every one. Sounds silly, right?
Someone once told me that my recommendation for a water jumper around the meter was not necessary. And I replied, "Well, did you write your recommendation down on paper and sign it - just as we home inspectors have to in our inspection reports? And write also that you will guarantee that no one will ever get hurt because of the absent jumper at the meter that you suggest is OK today." No plumber ever did take that responsibility. It's one thing to quote code; it's another thing to take responsibility. BEN GROMICKO Director of InterNACHI Online Education President of NACHI.TV - Online Training Videos President of Mountain Warranty Corporation ben@nachi.tv (303)862-2611 ben@mountainwarranty.com IMPROVE YOUR REPORT |
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Ben
Let’s think about this for just a minute. If an interior metal water pipe is bonded from any point on that pipe back to the panel would not the metal of the water pipe conduct any current imposed on it to the bonding jumper? If the bonding jumper on an interior metal water pipe is bonded from the nearest point from the water meter or filter back to the grounding electrode wouldn’t the metal of the pipe carry any current imposed on it from the end of the pipe back to the bonding jumper? The bonding jumper that goes across the meter is doing nothing more than bonding the interior metal pipe to the grounding electrode as the metal water pipe that is in contact with earth is just that, a grounding electrode. There is no more danger in someone getting shocked from one than the other. This has nothing to do with code requirements but on the simple principles of electricity. |
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