Interior GFCI Poll

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by relliott

Plus it is only a six footer and extensions are against NEC rules when used as permanent conductors.

Now your just grasping at straws. . .

[relliott]

Originally Posted by Marc D. Shunk

I could run an extension cord from the upstairs bedroom to serve an appliance on the kitchen countertop. Should I GFCI protect that bedroom receptacle?

Once again you are using a temporary.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by Marc D. Shunk

I could run an extension cord from the upstairs bedroom to serve an appliance on the kitchen countertop. Should I GFCI protect that bedroom receptacle?

Using the logic applied here by Bob, I would say yes. . .

[Marc D. Shunk]

Maybe we should just all live like the Amish. Much safer that way.

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by relliott

Once again you are using a temporary.

So what? The electrons don't know they're flowing through a temporary cord.

Your logic is flawed.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

because in MY opinion I am going to do things in my kitchen with appliances that I may sit on the counter of ANY space within the kitchen. I am also going to use appliances on my counter that probably only have a 20"-24" cord to be used.

If someone chooses to use a 6' extention cord to wrap over the wall in the example you have in the original post then I can only say to them this...

You Can't Fix Stupid.......

I happen to have an island in my kitchen Robert and I use appliances ( blenders and such ) on it all the time.....if the installation is PROPERLY done the person would not need to drape a cord over the back side of that wall to power the TV......

You want REAL world answers.......we can't protect people from themselves...they need to protect themselves from themselves.....

Ok so the island needs protection due to the use of appliances,not because of anything having to do with water correct?

After all your island has its own receptacles that are not near the sink.

If we are basing it own appliance use, how is that different from your living room lamp that also requires use of a switch.?

This is what I am hung up on.

Please illuminate this subject.

I will not even ask why a dishwasher does not require it.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by relliott

Ok so the island needs protection due to the use of appliances,not because of anything having to do with water correct?

After all your island has its own receptacles that are not near the sink.

If we are basing it own appliance use, how is that different from your living room lamp that also requires use of a switch.?

This is what I am hung up on.

Please illuminate this subject.

I will not even ask why a dishwasher does not require it.

Last time I blended up pancake batter, the lamp was not even make the list of choices of applinces to use.

I can see why your microwave is so popular.

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by relliott

Ok so the island needs protection due to the use of appliances,not because of anything having to do with water correct?

After all your island has its own receptacles that are not near the sink.

If we are basing it own appliance use, how is that different from your living room lamp that also requires use of a switch.?

This is what I am hung up on.

Please illuminate this subject.

I will not even ask why a dishwasher does not require it.

Who the hell cares? It's not a recognized hazard. If you think it's a hazard, call it out. Not so many people agree.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by relliott

Ok so the island needs protection due to the use of appliances,not because of anything having to do with water correct?

After all your island has its own receptacles that are not near the sink.

If we are basing it own appliance use, how is that different from your living room lamp that also requires use of a switch.?

This is what I am hung up on.

Please illuminate this subject.

I will not even ask why a dishwasher does not require it.

Your logic would dictate the ENTIRE house having 15A and 20A 120V receptacles should have GFCI receptacles......your logic just does not hold WATER.....you are trying to safeguard people which is noble and why we have GFCI's but it is not a perfect world and you cant always 100% save people from themselves.....

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by relliott

Once again you are using a temporary.

I think MARC's comment is VERY valid and not "temporary"....where does it end with protection. It can always improve and I happen to believe that AFCI is a start with 2008 expanding it....but alas my blender on the counter is temporary.....once I am done I put it away...same as Marc's extention cord when he is done.

Heck man....I inspect alot of apartments in the VCU area of Richmond....I can totally see them running an extention cord from the bedroom to power a blender to get drunk before exams....

Point is......you simply can recommend it and if you want to GO FOR IT....but it is not required and you again can't fix every stupid move a person will make....Ask Clinton...opps...sorry.

[relliott]

Watchit ,he was a better prez than JR.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

True......the one on the island has to be no lower than 12" to count as serving the island. So if someone uses an appliance on it as they should with a normal 20"-24" cord they can reach the one not lower than 12" with no problem.....

If they choose to run into the shed and get a 6' brown extention cord to reach the one on the living room side...well thats their choice....but we can't save the world from stupid actions....now can't we.....

Sorry...I refrain from Clinton Jokes...lol

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by relliott

Attachment 26132Watchit ,he was a better prez than JR.

Kitchen Island serving counter top, required.

Now for you Bob, the question is pretty much moot as ALL outlets should be upgraded to GFCI protection for the innumerable combinations possible when using power cords.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

I got the answer ( I am sure Marc will agree )...submit your proposal to the next code revision for requiring GFCI on all 120V 15A or 20A circuits in a dwelling....and lets see what the CMP has to say about it.......sounds interesting but remember you have to give technical data as to WHY you believe it should be this way...opinions don't hold much with the CMP guys.

Some may argue that this....since AFCI is moving that way GFCI is next to follow...lol

[Marc D. Shunk]

Bob, now Paul is teasing you. That must mean he likes you. I hear that he hugs people a lot too, so watch out if you two ever meet.