Interior GFCI Poll

[Wayne B. Wilson]

I would say it with in 6 foot Many appliances come with a 6 foot cord

[Gerry Pallotta]

I look at as if a home owner can mess something up they will. So as a safety measure I would call it out.Whether code requires it or not.

[rmaday]

Originally Posted by relliott

also wondering about the smiley cover up?

That's an eight with end parenthases (even if I can't spell it)

try it turns into

So, it reads one through eight.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

Originally Posted by gpallotta

So as a safety measure I would call it out.Whether code requires it or not.

So, do you advise clients not to buy homes that are in the flight path of an airport? Where do you draw the line when giving your opinion on perceived safety??

Codes are our guidelines, whether you "quote" them or not. The receptacle in question does not require GFCI protection - period.

[rmaday]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Tritto

Quatro!

If it was meant to "serve" the counter top, it'd be much higher on the wall.

[Gerry Pallotta]

Jeffery

Yes codes are guidelines but so is personal experience. I have been to many a party (We Italians have massive parties)where electrical appliances sit on top of the wall (Counter) plugged in willy nilly(and many don't have common sense or hope to much on luck) all over the place and all it would take is one bump and the least the could happen is one fried appliance or the worst someone seriously hurt.If I can make that area a little safer for them through a recommendation I do. If they chose not to follow it so be it.

Yes I follow code but sometimes you have to give that little extra.

[Michael Larson]

You guys can recommend what ever you like but when the seller refuses to pay for it because it is code compliant you may get to pay for the upgrade.

Be careful out there.

[Blaine Wiley]

That is a common place for receptacle installations here because many kitchens border family rooms or living rooms. They are not required by our AHJ to be GFCI protected as they are considered a required installation for the living or family room.

For those of you that would require the receptacle to be GFCI protected, do you recommend that office desk receptacles have GFCI protection. Heck, If I spill my beer on the power strip, I could get a big bad shock!

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

I understand your reasoning Gerry, but that type of recommendation is unwarranted. The flight path scenario was pretty extreme, so I'll give you another one. . .

Receptacles located on interior walls, just inside entry doors - do you recommend these be upgraded as well? After all, someone may run a cord to the exterior for their power tools, or perhaps a radio on the back porch.

[relliott]

OK
Let me ask you guys about kitchen counters.
What if you have a split counter with a stove in the middle and a sink on the left side ,but a receptacle on the right counter.

I suppose you see no need for GFCI on the right counter ,since there is no sink on it.

After all they will not plug in on the right counter and set the appliance on the left counter ,near the sink.Especially if it is 10 feet away.

Please explain ,since it is required all kitchen receptacles be GFCI.

[rmaday]

I think you answered your own question...

Originally Posted by relliott

it is required all kitchen receptacles be GFCI.

Kitchens are generally considered potentially wet locations. I wasn't involved in the writting of the code, but my guess is has more to do with water reaching the appliance rather than the appliance reaching the water. JMO

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by relliott

Please explain ,since it is required all kitchen receptacles be GFCI.

You have answered your own question good job.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by rmaday

I think you answered your own question...



Kitchens are generally considered wet locations.

Yes but the wet bar has a better chance of being a shock hazard than a sinkless kitchen island or the right hand side counter ,so I actually dis-agree with Paul,which bothers me on a deep mentor type level.

[Gerry Pallotta]

Jeffery

No I wouldn't.

I'll give you one. In an apartment building that was being renovated there was no outlet in the washroom, it was easier to install one under the light switch in the hallway by the door rather than run a line. The ESA (gov't electrical) inspector required it to be gfci even though it was technically on the other side of the wall. When asked he replied potential use of that outlet by people in the washroom could be deemed a safety hazard.

The same could be said for the above outlet by the bar.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by gpallotta

Jeffery

No I wouldn't.

I'll give you one. In an apartment building that was being renovated there was no outlet in the washroom, it was easier to install one under the light switch in the hallway by the door rather than run a line. The tssa (gov't electrical) inspector required it to be gfci even though it was technically on the other side of the wall. When asked he replied potential use of that outlet by people in the washroom could be deemed a safety hazard.

The same could be said for the above outlet by the bar.

Common sense of use.

Good point, as one needs to look at intent.