Jacuzzi Bond wire was cut. Why ?

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Sorry if I went off thread guys...i think we answered the original question. The things me and greg are talking about now are different and I have to admit I GAIN from these conversations so humor me please.....always learning myself to gain MORE knowledge on how others view the CODE.

Mike says it best.....Debate the CODE always helps you understand it better...

[Paul W. Abernathy]

In case anyone is lost on what we are speaking about...this may help



Change requires an equipotential bonding grid be installed to reduce voltage gradients in and around permanently installed pools, outdoor spas, and outdoor hot tubs.

(B) Bonded Parts. The following parts of a permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub must be bonded to a equipotential bonding grid of the type specified in 680.26(C).

Author’s Comment: See 680.42(B) for the bonding methods permitted for outdoor spas and hot tubs.

(1) Metallic Parts of Structure. All metallic parts of the water structure, including the reinforcing metal of the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub shell and deck, must be bonded to the equipotential grid. The usual steel tie wires are considered suitable for bonding the reinforcing steel together for this purpose. Welding or special clamping is not required, but the tie wires must be made tight. Figure 680-4

Where the reinforcing steel of the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub shell and deck are encapsulated with a nonconductive compound or if it’s not available, an equipotential grid constructed in accordance with 680.26(C) must be installed to mask stray voltage gradients.

(2) Underwater Lighting. All metal forming shells for underwater permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub luminaires and speakers.
(3) Metal Fittings. Metal fittings within or attached to the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub structure, such as ladders and handrails.
(4) Electrical Equipment. Metal parts of electrical equipment associated with the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub water circulating system, such as water heaters and pump motors. Accessible metal parts of listed equipment incorporating a system of double insulation and providing a means for grounding internal metal parts are not required to be directly bonded to the equipotential grid.
(5) Metal Wiring Methods and Equipment. Metal-sheathed cables and raceways, metal piping, and all fixed metal parts, as well as metallic surfaces of electrical equipment, must be bonded to the equipotential grid if located:
(1) Within 5 ft horizontally of the inside walls of the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub, and
(2) Within 12 ft measured vertically above the maximum water level of the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, and outdoor hot tub, or any observation stands, towers, or platforms or any diving structures.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

greg...you are 100% correct.....but should we define a portable outdoor spa as not permanantly installed and would the GRID apply.

I dont think it applies...but the bonding referred to in 680.43(D) would apply.

(b) Grid.

The equipotential (stray voltage) grid must cover the
contour of the permanently installed pool, outdoor spa, or outdoor
hot tub, and deck extending 3 ft horizontally from the water.
The equipotential (stray voltage) grid must be arranged in a 1 ft
x 1 ft network of conductors in a uniformly spaced perpendicular
grid pattern with a tolerance of 4 in.

[Greg Fretwell]

Be careful lifting rules from one article and trying to apply them somewhere else. 680.43 is "indoor"

[Paul W. Abernathy]

while part 1 and part 2 applies to all within the article, I think we are jumping back and forth from outside units to inside units....I was refering to the one in question but I think we agree on the outdoor units if permenantly installed...

I will continue this on the new thread as to avoid the jacking...

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Craig,

Here is also come good info....


CMP-17 statement, Proposal 17-183 in the ROP leading to the 2005 NEC:
Panel Statement: The need for bonding in a bathroom differs from the need for bonding in a pool area. Electrical equipment of a hydromassage bathtub is not accessible to users of the tub. Only parts that can cause a voltage gradient in the bathtub need to be bonded. Section 680.74 has been concisely reworded to require the bonding of only the parts that present a risk of creating voltage gradients in the hydromassage bathtub.