Junction Box required?

[scorcoran]

What's the policy on fixtures being wired directly with no junction box?

[Bob Elliott]

Need more detail.
Got a situation or picture?

[scorcoran]

well... um no picture just something I keep getting asked about. Ok.. I'll try to be more clear. So you have a light fixture there is no junction box behind it. If you take the fixture off the wall the connection is behind the fixture there is a small hole in the wall with the wiring coming through... the connection is made at the fixture but no box???

[Bob Elliott]

I can not think of a situation where a normal wall sconce would not be connected to a junction box.

Guess my personal question would be how you are sure there is no box?



(edit) Just looked around to confirm that there would not be an exception.Some can use a work box or a eared box such as you see mounted between studs .but UL type fixtures are designed for mounting to junction boxes.

[brian winkle]

Some fixtures are approved to be used without a box. The box is actually part of the fixture. These are usually bar type fixtures for bathrooms, flourescent fixtures, and wall pack fixtures. Ordinary indoor or outdoor sconces and wall lanterns do not qualify.

[Jeffrey R. Pope]

There must be a box - whether it's wall mounted or flush mounted. The connections must be contained within the box.

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[scorcoran]

Thanks I was fairly certain the only exception is florescent (bad spelling there maybe) where romex goes directly into the fixture. And as for the how do I know there's no junction box... well first of all one of the fixtures was literally falling off the wall... so then I took a couple down. It wasn't an inspection it was my friends brand new house. Hum... Tarion says thats an ok practice.... I disagree

[Bob Elliott]

Ok
Just wondered as sometimes they have used a knockout drill bit on the plywood or drywall and it seems like there is no junction box when there is.

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

There is one instance that I can think of where you rarely see a box... older home with Knob and Tube. See it alot in my area.