This just looks wrong

[John Lerch]

Comments please--

[Larry D. Kage]

It looks like it may be short of at least 2" from the bottom of the holes to the bottom of the joist.

[John Lerch]

It does.. just so many so close.

[Marc D. Shunk]

I don't have the IRC handy here at the office, but I think the rule for holes requires the edge of any hole to be at least 2" from the edge of the framing member, and multiple holes need to be at least 1" of meat between them. They're probably okay the 2" way, but they're too close together. In my opinion, based on what I remember the IRC saying, each and every one of those joists has been ruined.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Pretty much each hole must be 2" from anything & nothing in the center 1/3:

[Jim Port]

Got to agree with Mark on this one. The structural strength is ruined.

[Speedy Petey]

I'll agree with the others.

I did something similar to that once back in the first 6 months of being in the the trade.
Rest assured I never did it again!

[John Lerch]

Thanks to each of you.. I really need the help on this one, this is a builder that also teaches code at the local college.
Hey Mike- what's the source on the attached jpeg?

[Michael R. Boyett]

John, to be honest I really don't remember for sure but I suspect it is from "InterNachi's mini-course tip of the day" on the bottom of the home page. Also see 2003 IRC R502.8.1

[John Lerch]

I just found it in 2006- thanks very much. You have all been very helpful.

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by jlerch

I just found it in 2006- thanks very much. You have all been very helpful.

Where is it found in the 2006 IRC John?

[John Lerch]

Originally Posted by lkage

Where is it found in the 2006 IRC John?

Hey Larry,
502.8.1

[Mark Nahrgang]

When it comes to a builder making a stink and wanting a "quote" of where it is found it code, my response is "It's not my job to educate builders in those things that they should already know. It's my job to call things out as wrong. I have done that. If the builder would like for me to teach them, my fee starts at $99.00 per hour including all research, and presentation materials, with a minimum of 4 hours paid in advance...."

"So Mr. Builder, you want me to educate you in the actual code that you violated, then I will be happy to do that for you, just as soon as your check for $396.00 clears the bank."

[John Lerch]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

When it comes to a builder making a stink and wanting a "quote" of where it is found it code, my response is "It's not my job to educate builders in those things that they should already know. It's my job to call things out as wrong. I have done that. If the builder would like for me to teach them, my fee starts at $99.00 per hour including all research, and presentation materials, with a minimum of 4 hours paid in advance...."

"So Mr. Builder, you want me to educate you in the actual code that you violated, then I will be happy to do that for you, just as soon as your check for $396.00 clears the bank."

Good point Mark. I don't like folks that intimadate. He put the big pants on me in front of the buyer and Realtor. He'll look bad enough when my report is distributed-I'll be very careful not to site code in my report. Still I'm prepared to supply documentation of the violations for an additional fee payable by any of the interested parties- I want to keep that seperate from the inspection. Like you said I report what is wrong anything else is extra and if it comes to litigation I don't want to anything different than what I have done in the past.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by mboyett

John, to be honest I really don't remember for sure but I suspect it is from "InterNachi's mini-course tip of the day" on the bottom of the home page. Also see 2003 IRC R502.8.1

Nice graphic to have.