Kitchen light on GFCI

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by Mike Parks

250.52(b)(2) 2005 Nec

What does this code reference for grounding electrodes have to do with outlets on GFCI counter circuits??

[Paul W. Abernathy]

I believe that was to be 210.8 2002 NEC






210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for
Personnel.
FPN: See 215.9 for ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection
for personnel on feeders.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and
20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations speci.ed in
1 through 8 shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter
protection for personnel.
(1) Bathrooms
(2) Garages, and also accessory buildings that have a .oor
located at or below grade level not intended as habitable
rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas,
and areas of similar use
Exception No. 1 to (2): Receptacles that are not readily
accessible.
Exception No. 2 to (2): A single receptacle or a duplex receptacle
for two appliances located within dedicated space for
each appliance that, in normal use, is not easily moved from
one place to another and that is cord-and-plug connected in
accordance with 400.7(A)(6), (A)(7), or (A)[8].
Receptacles installed under the exceptions to 210.8(A)(2)
shall not be considered as meeting the requirements of
210.52(G)
(3) Outdoors
Exception to (3): Receptacles that are not readily accessible
and are supplied by a dedicated branch circuit for
electric snow-melting or deicing equipment shall be permitted
to be installed in accordance with 426.28.
Receptacles installed under the exceptions to 210.8(A)(5)
shall not be considered as meeting the requirements of
210.52(G).
(4) Crawl spaces — at or below grade level
(5) Un.nished basements — for purposes of this section,
unfnished basements are de.ned as portions or areas of
the basement not intended as habitable rooms and limited
to storage areas, work areas, and the like
Exception No. 1 to (5): Receptacles that are not readily
Accessible.
Exception No. 2 to (5): A single receptacle or a duplex receptacle
for two appliances located within dedicated space for
each appliance that, in normal use, is not easily moved from
one place to another and that is cord-and-plug connected in
accordance with 400.7(A)(6), (A)(7), or (A)[8].
Exception No. 3 to (5): A receptacle supplying only a permanently
installed .re alarm or burglar alarm system shall not
be required to have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection.
(6) Kitchens — where the receptacles are installed to serve
the countertop surfaces
(7) Laundry, utility, and wet bar sinks — where the receptacles
are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside
edge of the sink
[8] Boathouses

[Michael Larson]

Actually Mike (Mr. non-NACHI member) was refering to 210.52(B)(2) NEC 2005

Paul. do you have a good list of the history of NEC code changes available? I only have the NEC 2005 at this time and would like to know when code changes with regard to residential sytems were changed.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

And to go furthur.....to someone asked about the small appliance circuits on the counter and so on..

(2) No Other Outlets.

The two or more small-appliance
branch circuits speci.ed in 210.52(B)(1) shall have no
other outlets.

And 210.52(B)(1) Reads......

(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served.

In the kitchen, pantry,
breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling
unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch
circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and
.oor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop
outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for
refrigeration equipment.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Here you go fella....

http://www.mikeholt.com/documents/ne...ment_page2.pdf

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Here you go fella....

http://www.mikeholt.com/documents/ne...ment_page2.pdf

Thanks Paul. Are there any other "history" lists pertaining to residential available?

[Russel Ray]

Whenever I find a light on a GFCI circuit, I always recommend that it be rewired. If the GFCI outlet trips at night, seems like one would want the light on to find the GFCI outlet to reset it, especially if their flashlights are like my flashlights and their employees have stolen all the spare flashlights out of the car ("Ouch. Quit reading over my shoulder. And quit hitting me. Don't you have an inspection to go to? If you ever expect to have another margarita in the office, git. And I said to quit hitting me.")

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

Here you go fella....

http://www.mikeholt.com/documents/ne...ment_page2.pdf

Although not required when the house was originally built, you may wish to install GFCI outlets as a safety upgrade.

Though the chart is nice.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

lol.....Oh brian....the chart is nice....... really to educate the client WHEN you suggest GFCI's...because you can say..."SEE..even the weak, minimal and poor standards of the NEC even require them now because of safety concerns over the years...lol "

Atually it is nice to have the chart with you...in case you see places that should have them for safety...and you say something and they say...well it is not serious...you can say...well it is serious enough for the NEC NFPA to make the change......you might consider doing the same....

Plus it is nice to recommend them also on the old BX systems where some NUMB-NUTS is trying to use the BX as a grounding conductor and the OHMS are like SKYROCKET....so you say....to be SAFER...install a GFCI ahead of it and sleep better.....