Knob & Tube first

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by Jim Port

Installing NM cable in conduit is specifically allowed by the NEC. It is also required where subject to physical damage.

Then make that extension cord which is the same thing in my part of the world.

Extension cord and K& T are meant to be in open air .

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Sorry about that . This is the panel

http://www.homedepot.ca/product/30-a...-spaces/901371

I love the USA was down on Friday and bought a water softener $397;00 just looked and the same one in Canada is $598.00

Thanks Roy. When you said

They are still manufactured and sold in Canada .I am also putting in a new FP panel For my new Generator .

I thought you were referring to Federal Pacific (Stab-Lok) panels which have a very bad history down here.

[Wayne B. Wilson]

Roy
i think there is a difference between yours and the ones down here

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

It simply is not my business if you choose to use your personal bias as an electrician against knob and tube.

Knob and tube can be safe and is permitted.

Some insurance companies will not insure and that is what I inform my clients about if no other problems with it exist.

The problem is that you can't see all of the wiring so it can never be known beyond a shadow of a doubt to be "safe" because it is largely concealed in walls, ceilings, and beneath floors. No electrician could say with certainly that the system was absolutely safe.

While yes, technically it is an accepted method, everything deteriorates over time and nothing can be expected to last forever. I refer it whenever I see it to an electrician and privately I tell my clients I would not let my children sleep in a home with knob and tube wiring.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

FYI Knob and tube wiring was being installed in some areas into the 1960s

And back in Edison's day.

[Wayne B. Wilson]

I agree with Joe on what is hidden could be the problem, K&T is outdated and should be explain as such. Problem around here most homes have been flipped and are low income. People go in paint, insulated and walk all around in the attic. Insulation over K&T .Strike one, add circuits without doing it in a proper fashion Likely taped together strike 2. .
Next problem Most electricians are not old enough to evaluated K&T.

Look at this way Model T would not be the best idea to drive down the interstate now days . was great in the day.
More loads, Uneducated People on the system loading it up .

I inform, Note it , and recommend to have a electrician evaluate it. It is up to them to make the final decision
Long story short Would i accept in my home No.

[Joseph M. Whitt]

Wayne, I am not sure that I understand your post. First you say;

Originally Posted by wwilson3

Next problem Most electricians are not old enough to evaluated K&T.

Then you make this comment;

Originally Posted by wwilson3

I inform, Note it , and recommend to have a electrician evaluate it. It is up to them to make the final decision.

Do you also inform your client of your first statement?

Wasn’t too long ago that I looked at the electrical that a Home Inspector had written up. Although the wiring was old I found little that needed to be addressed on the electrical although there was two pages written up.
What I did notice was the HI hadn’t said a word in their report about 2x6 floor joist that spanned 12 feet nor anything about a 1 ¼ waste line on the washer.
It seems that this HI thought they knew more about the electrical than another trade although at the time the house was built everything including the electrical was code compliant.

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by wwilson3

Look at this way Model T would not be the best idea to drive down the interstate now days . was great in the day.
More loads, Uneducated People on the system loading it up .

...But still completely legal !!!

(Perfect comparison) Thanks.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jfunderburk

The problem is that you can't see all of the wiring so it can never be known beyond a shadow of a doubt to be "safe" because it is largely concealed in walls, ceilings, and beneath floors. No electrician could say with certainly that the system was absolutely safe.

Which is true for any wiring method.

Most knob and tube has been modified and a problem is usually evident.

My complaint is with categorically condemning Knob and tube with no evidence of a problem.

[Wayne B. Wilson]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Whick is ture for any wiring method.

True Micheal how ever wiring like people when it gets older just is not the same. ever wonder why you have problems doing something now you didn't have when you were 17?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by wwilson3

True Micheal how ever wiring like people when it gets older just is not the same. ever wonder why you have problems doing something now you didn't have when you were 17?

This thread is not about your personal problems

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wwilson3

Look at this way Model T would not be the best idea to drive down the interstate now days . was great in the day.
More loads, Uneducated People on the system loading it up .

Originally Posted by jjonas

...But still completely legal !!!

(Perfect comparison) Thanks.

I think it would not be perfectly Legal on the Highway it would not be able to keep up with the traffic now 65 and most doing 70 +.

The model T was great in its day but it is not up for today's requirements
I feel like Knob and Tube it is also obsolete .

[Michael Larson]

Try to stay on topic Roy.

[Jeffrey R. Jonas]

Originally Posted by wwilson3

True Micheal how ever wiring like people when it gets older just is not the same. ever wonder why you have problems doing something now you didn't have when you were 17?

Wayne... (Other than the lack of a grounded conductor), What would your opinion be of a home (originally wired with K&T), having been rewired with HTTN, but still setup as K&T??? (Note: The panel was upgraded to a breaker panel, as opposed to the orig fused panel/blocks)??? Yes I have seen this once or twice. Still a defect in your eyes???

[Wayne B. Wilson]

Originally Posted by jjonas

Wayne... (Other than the lack of a grounded conductor), What would your opinion be of a home (originally wired with K&T), having been rewired with HTTN, but still setup as K&T??? (Note: The panel was upgraded to a breaker panel, as opposed to the orig fused panel/blocks)??? Yes I have seen this once or twice. Still a defect in your eyes???

If has been inspected and passed, I still inform if the K&T was still in use, In fact more chances of over loading if it has been upgraded and Modified with additional wire and a new panel .
Nothing wrong with fuses still legal lolol.
as long as no pennies have been added.
K&T makes me nervous, it is simple to replace when renovating . Most houses with it probably Balloon construction so why wouldnt you just drop a new wire down the wall?
In most cases these homes have been flipped and many short cuts have been taken . Yes the panel has been inspected but hat about the wiring? not likely in the attic or crawl space .