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I already know that 100's if not 1,000's of electricians are laughing at him anyway. So it is all good....we have come to expect as much from the source...Carrio is someone I have no respect for and it is known.....so he does not bother me.
Paul W. Abernathy |
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All,
Plagarism means that one has impuned the reputation of the author. No reference is needed, unless the quote is used for te purpose of making money. At that point, copyright infringement comes into play. I know these things as I am a published author. Educational settings, such as colleges, have taken the term to new heights in recent years. Still doesnt change the meaning of the word, however. Nick, If we lived in England, your reference would be relevent to the discussion. Since we dont, it isnt |
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As per NEC 2008:
404.4 Damp or Wet Locations. A surface-mounted switch or circuit breaker in a damp or wet location shall be enclosed in a weatherproof enclosure or cabinet that shall comply with 312.2. A flush-mounted switch or circuit breaker in a damp or wet location shall be equipped with a weatherproof cover. Switches shall not be installed within wet locations in tub or shower spaces unless installed as part of a listed tub or shower assembly. Does the shower have a door on it, a curtin, or is the shower open. As an Commercial and Residential electrician these switches would not be located where they are in this picture. They should be mounted by the entry door to the shower room. The edge of the tile that is cloest to the switches begins the 3' rule so yes they are within the 3' area, but the 3' rule applies to lighting. (410.4 (D)) No matter how that passed inspection if it was even checked during the inspection there is a high chance of water getting into the switches, not to mention steam and water vapor. just starting the inspection side of things here, but electric I know pretty good. Hope this helps out somewhat. Jay Magee |
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James,
As long as you understand that only applys to the "luminare" and not the switch....you are ok. Make sure you read all the replies... Paul W. Abernathy |
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I cannot believe some of these answers, this switch is definitely not OK by any means. Regardless of the language, as a home inspector you should always write up switches that are within reach of a tub or shower. One gentleman had it correct, a 3' foot clearance is the best rule of thumb but as a home inspector you can use your judgement to protect your client. These switches right next to the shower are a huge safety issue and with no shoes on, standing in water, on top of tile/mortar/concrete and then the soil underneath you will be fully grounded to earth. Given our track record for laziness if we forget to turn on the exhaust fan and our in the middle of our shower most of us will take a chance and flip the switch while in the shower, that's why switches shall not be installed within reach of a shower or tub installation. Remember if it looks dangerous right it up for your client, code compliant or not. If someone ask you, "why you wrote it up, it's not a code violation?", just tell them you felt a need to notify your client that in your opinion this may not be safe and leave it at that.
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Mr. Bentley
I have been involved with electrical installations for over 44 years. I have almost 12 years of electrical classroom instruction experience. I have been involved with the International Association of Electrical Inspectors for over 11 years. Could you please explain to me what is so dangerous about these types of switch installations? I seem to have missed the safety issues that you seem to feel that exist. Mike Whitt Contractor/Instructor |
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Please Note:
Robert Meier is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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Obviously the NEC disagrees with your opinion since there is no requirement to have a switch out of reach from a tub or shower. In fact there have attempts to add your opinion to the NEC but those have been summarily rejected by the CMP. Below is one such example. Can you provide some substantiation as to noted cases where someone has been injured or worse by a switch within reach of a shower or tub? Quote:
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Please Note:
Jim Port is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
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As two others have pointed out the NEC does not share your fears. |
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#205
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I say it's safe and I have the backing of a National Code. You say it's unsafe, what do you have to support your opinion? As home inspectors we don't "cite" code, but we we use codes as the guidelines for our recommendations. When we (as home inspectors) start over thinking these issues and make unwarranted and baseless recommendations, it dilutes the integrity of the entire report, not to mention the profession. IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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