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[Billy Boerner]

You guys are awesome. I might just figure out the electrical system one day after all Here is a picture of the meter. Let me know if you see a disconnect. I've never knew to look for one there until now.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by wsiegel

Why would you call that beeing choosy. That is something that needs to be corrected.

If you mention that to an electrictrician in my area, they will look at you funny. The little codes we have are not enforced very well, so it is hard to argue a safety issue. Sad but true.

[David P. OKeefe]

billy, I think you have a split panel. No one disconnect in there.

[Billy Boerner]

Guys,

When calling out a panel should we list all defects or should we blanket say multiple defects found in panel. Recommend bla bla bla. If we call out certain defects whos to say A. You didn't miss one and B. The electrician is only going to go down your list and inspect those items. Far stretch I know just was always curious on this question.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bboerner

You guys are awesome. I might just figure out the electrical system one day after all Here is a picture of the meter. Let me know if you see a disconnect. I've never knew to look for one there until now.

No disconnect under original 100 amp meter. A lot of times the newer loops will have them instead of inside. There is a cover you just flip up.
I believe they mainly are doing this for easy access for fire fighters.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbraun

No disconnect under original 100 amp meter. A lot of times the newer loops will have them instead of inside. There is a cover you just flip up.
I believe they mainly are doing this for easy access for fire fighters.

So I need to call out the panel for no main disconnect then?

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Guys,

When calling out a panel should we list all defects or should we blanket say multiple defects found in panel. Recommend bla bla bla. If we call out certain defects whos to say A. You didn't miss one and B. The electrician is only going to go down your list and inspect those items. Far stretch I know just was always curious on this question.

Just give a general description of the problems, and refer to a licensed electrician. Since the electrician has more authority than a home inspector in Missouri, than let him go through the whole panel himself. If the electrician does not want to do anything, then just get something in writing stating that, this way if the house burns down your head does not roll.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbraun

Just give a general description of the problems, and refer to a licensed electrician. Since the electrician has more authority than a home inspector in Missouri, than let him go through the whole panel himself. If the electrician does not want to do anything, then just get something in writing stating that, this way if the house burns down your head does not roll.

James,

How am I going to know what he decided to do? Why would we be held liable for anything once we refer our client to a qualified electrician?

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bboerner

So I need to call out the panel for no main disconnect then?

Yes, it can be called a safety issue.

[Billy Boerner]

James,

What about Davids theory that it's a split buss panel. If that's the case we would of six throws to cut off power...no?

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bboerner

James,

How am I going to know what he decided to do? Why would we be held liable for anything once we refer our client to a qualified electrician?

You will get a mad phone call form somebody because they will claim that you called out something that was not necessary because the electrician said so.

Getting things in writing from the other side does several things:

1. If you did not list the defect that the fire marshal claimed and you did not catch caused the fire.
2. Your client has somebody to blame when something goes wrong.
3. If you are performing an inspection for a government loan, the underwriter will need proof that your claim was over ruled by a higher authority.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bboerner

James,

What about Davids theory that it's a split buss panel. If that's the case we would of six throws to cut off power...no?

I always used the six throws rule myself, whether it was split or otherwise.

[Billy Boerner]

My narrative... what do you think?

Multiple defects observed in the main panel. It is recommended that the panel, breakers and conductors be fully evaluated by a qualified electrician. Examples of defects would be red wire not terminated correctly, wires under breaker, missing cover where breaker can be installed, panel not labeled correctly, double tap, missing clamp. Please note this is not an exhaustive list. A complete review by a qualified electrician may lead to more discoveries.

[Chuck Evans]

Originally Posted by bboerner

James,

What about Davids theory that it's a split buss panel. If that's the case we would of six throws to cut off power...no?

Looks like the 60 Amp breaker on the right is feeding the lower half of the panel. I'm curious Billy, what amperage capacity did you say the system had?

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by cevans

Looks like the 60 Amp breaker on the right is feeding the lower half of the panel. I'm curious Billy, what amperage capacity did you say the system had?

I'm getting ready to say 125AMPS Max. The panel manufacture instructions stated that.