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Old 4/2/08, 11:47 PM
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Default How many splices in Panel

I was at a new home today and saw this crappy installation of the branch wiring (17 to 20 splices all crammed at the top of the panel). Is this something that you would write up? What would be the wording you would use if so? I tried to attach the picture but it was to big of a J-peg. If you know how to condense a j-peg file let me know and I will add it.

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Old 4/3/08, 12:03 AM
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Nothing wrong with splices in a panel.

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Download software for pic reduction after that , by downloading any one of a number of free graphic programs.
PM me if you want help.
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Old 4/3/08, 12:31 AM
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Here's the picture. Talk about an abortion. . .
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Default Re: How many splices in Panel

It is not filling a significant part of the wiring space so it is "legal". That sure looks like a screw up to me. They either left the wires short or had a copper theft and that was as high as the crack heads could reach.
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"..... splices, and taps shall not fill the wiring space at any cross section to more than 75 percent of the cross-sectional area of that space."

What is happening to the industry, and why are people accepting this lousy crap and poor method of bootleg jobs done by hacks and hop heads!
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Notice the main breaker at the "top" of the panel? Me either, did they install the panel upside down as well?



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Not all MAIN are at the top of the panel here's a Square D from the other day



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Notice the main breaker at the "top" of the panel? Me either, did they install the panel upside down as well?
Since most mains operate in a horizontal orientation there is no right side up or upside down.

If the feed enters below the panel it would make sense to install it main down. Less wire to purchase and less gutter space is used.
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Here is a Cutler Hammer from a couple of weeks ago.
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"..... splices, and taps shall not fill the wiring space at any cross section to more than 75 percent of the cross-sectional area of that space."

What is happening to the industry, and why are people accepting this lousy crap and poor method of bootleg jobs done by hacks and hop heads!
What about the conductor fill of the plastic conduit...looks more than 75%?
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We would be concerned that the fill was greater than 40% and would have to show that Table 4 in the NEC Chapter 9 was complied with along with Table 5. This mess should be referred to a qualified electrician
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What is the fill allowance for a splice?
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Greg: The 40% fill in the pipe was where we were with this question, not the splice.

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Default Re: How many splices in Panel

Is that even an electrical conduit?

If it is a water pipe then all this other is for nill cause the pipe must be replaced which would mean that the complete installation would be addressed.

Also there should be a bushing on the end of the pipe which again would address the splices.
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