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A multi-wire circuit is serving a living area of a home. One branch serves the receptacle outlets, while the other serves the lighting outlets. Question - Are the breakers required to be tied together for simultaneous shutoff? Please qualify your answer. IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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I read a discussion on Mike Holt's forum once where someone said the 2002 code actually required the handle tie when outlets were on the multi wire branch circuits. The 2008 code then included devices and equipment as part of the handle tie requirement.
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The question is, what is your definition of "equipment on the same yoke?" I generally define "yoke" as a device or piece of equipment contained in a single "space" or enclosure - such as a multi-wire circuit powering a single duplex receptacle.
My interpretation is that there is no need for a handle tie in the instance I described, as these are not "on the same yoke." IF YOUR INSPECTOR IS NOT USING THERMAL IMAGING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE WHOLE PICTURE ® Jeff PopeJPI Home Inspection Service Santa Clarita CA (661) 212-0738 Santa Clarita Home Inspection http://www.MyInspector.net |
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No requirement for a handle-tie, until a house is built under the 2008 NEC adoption that requires a MWC to include a handle-tie.
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CA is currently using the 2005 NEC. Can you post the 2008 section?
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I did see that mentioned in lots of discussions, a yoke is simply the strap on an outlet or switch body used to mount it.
Some "experts" are posting on the web that ALL multiwire circuits must have handle ties or be a dedicated double pole breaker based on the 2008 code. Here is a good article..... http://www.ecmag.com/?fa=article&articleID=8741 B.A. King Home Inspections, LLC www.BAKingHomeInspections.com Serving Charlotte NC area and Rock Hill SC areas. CMI Certified Master Inspector and Independent License NC2449 and SC1597 704 301-3207 "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." - Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 |
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Good article - thanks Bruce.
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Please Note:
Jim Port is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
This is the reason the the 08 NEC now requires a 2 pole breaker for MWBCs.
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Please Note:
Robert Meier is a non-member guest and is in no way affiliated with InterNACHI or its members.
All multi-wire branch circuits require simultaneous disconnect (multi-pole CB or handle tie) under the 2008 NEC. This requirement was actually in the 2005 NEC {605.7} but only applied to freestanding type furniture partitions, and as mentioned MWBC's on the same yoke.
Here's the 2008: Quote:
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